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Topic: Delamination

I bought my printer to print enclosures. Up till now all prints (small) were acceptable, nothing too big. I designed my first enclosure. It is a box 170x105x105 with 3mm walls and a 5mm thick floor. There are a few holes in the design to allow mounting things. I printed it with the "good" profile" but increased the fill to 30%. I used supports (to get good holes) and a raft as the first try didn't adhere properly to the bed - No glue used either. I am using XYZPrinting  natural fibre. I overdid the glue a bit I think on the second try. The print was about 14 hours.

It is hot here (at least 30C during the print time) and the printer is located in a closed un-airconditioned room, but a window is open to the outside. There are no drafts in the room. The room is closed to keep the smell in one place. From time to time I looked in on the print. This may have changed the room temperature.

When complete I had some trouble removing the print from the bed. (Too much glue I suspect), I then noticed there were delaminations up the print at the corners. In the removal I could hear cracking noises. The gaps were quite large - 1 mm wide and quite long 30mm for the worst of them.

I have read extensively that delamination is a problem with ABS especially for box shaped objects.

Has anyone got a solution for the XYZ for this problem?

Regards, Fred.

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Re: Delamination

urbantigerau wrote:

I bought my printer to print enclosures. Up till now all prints (small) were acceptable, nothing too big. I designed my first enclosure. It is a box 170x105x105 with 3mm walls and a 5mm thick floor. There are a few holes in the design to allow mounting things. I printed it with the "good" profile" but increased the fill to 30%. I used supports (to get good holes) and a raft as the first try didn't adhere properly to the bed - No glue used either. I am using XYZPrinting  natural fibre. I overdid the glue a bit I think on the second try. The print was about 14 hours.

It is hot here (at least 30C during the print time) and the printer is located in a closed un-airconditioned room, but a window is open to the outside. There are no drafts in the room. The room is closed to keep the smell in one place. From time to time I looked in on the print. This may have changed the room temperature.

When complete I had some trouble removing the print from the bed. (Too much glue I suspect), I then noticed there were delaminations up the print at the corners. In the removal I could hear cracking noises. The gaps were quite large - 1 mm wide and quite long 30mm for the worst of them.

I have read extensively that delamination is a problem with ABS especially for box shaped objects.



Has anyone got a solution for the XYZ for this problem?

Regards, Fred.

I assume you are running stock? If so then you are out of luck.  You need a cartridge resetter that will allow you to change the temps in the cartridge or you will need Simplify3D at $150 or install Repetier Firmware and Host. The issue is you need to be printing at around 220 to 230 with a bed temp of 110.

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Re: Delamination

Hi all,
I am getting into 3D printing. I always wanted to get a 3D printer for a long time. I want to get the Da Vinci 1.0 AIO All-in-one printer. My concern is with all the reports of error messages, etc. mostly do to things getting disloged or broken during shipping. What's your take on this issue? Is it still worth getting? I have installed third party firmware on my Canon 60D camera so I am fine with that part if printing is going to be more reliable. I am not sure how much programming i want to try my hand at. I want to design on my iPad and then either export the file to my PC or better yet place the file on an SD card for PC free printing.

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Re: Delamination

sleepvideo wrote:

Hi all,
I am getting into 3D printing. I always wanted to get a 3D printer for a long time. I want to get the Da Vinci 1.0 AIO All-in-one printer. My concern is with all the reports of error messages, etc. mostly do to things getting disloged or broken during shipping. What's your take on this issue? Is it still worth getting? I have installed third party firmware on my Canon 60D camera so I am fine with that part if printing is going to be more reliable. I am not sure how much programming i want to try my hand at. I want to design on my iPad and then either export the file to my PC or better yet place the file on an SD card for PC free printing.

Unless you have an app for apple that puts out an STL file you will not be able to do designs on a tablet. Your topic is not really in regards to delamination either so you may want to contact an admin about moving your post. to it's own topic.

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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Thanks for the reply. My question is not really about Apple but more about if I should get this Printer at all.

John

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Re: Delamination

sleepvideo wrote:

Thanks for the reply. My question is not really about Apple but more about if I should get this Printer at all.

John


I would not waste my money on AIO. The scanner is bad, and cannot scan anything less than two inches very well and that includes parts on your item that may be less than two inches.  Buy the 1.0A or Duo. But note that 3DPrinting is a hobby and requires tinkering and down the road even possible mods to your printer. It is not a plug and play type of thing like a regular printer. It will require you to go out and search for information on print issues that you WILL have such as the topic of this thread. It require adjustments to both hardware and software. As for XYZ in general? You get what you pay for. For the price it is a good printer but it may need work when it arrives and it may need work down the road. It is the nature of the beast when you have all these moving parts. Is there better? Sure if you want to spend a GRAND or more but then even those will still have issues and the learning curve to solving problems and quality issue. When it comes down to it, for the price you are not out much and you can learn a lot more about the ins and outs and actual hardware with these then you would with a much higher priced model.

Sorry urbantigerau, it seems your thread got hijacked and I apologize. Just wanted to answer the stray posters concerns.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Thanks,
Thats a great reply. I am just looking for some comments to sway me one way or the other.
Yes, $800 seems a little pricy to get ones mind around for a printer that has its issues but 500 is not much more than I paid for an Epson photo printer. Reading these notes about head clogging issues reminds me of the ink jet printers that i have a ton of experience with. When the Epson was working it was great but when a head clog happened it was a pain.
Autodesk makes some good apps for the iPad.

John Gerard

carl_m1968 wrote:
sleepvideo wrote:

Thanks for the reply. My question is not really about Apple but more about if I should get this Printer at all.

John


I would not waste my money on AIO. The scanner is bad, and cannot scan anything less than two inches very well and that includes parts on your item that may be less than two inches.  Buy the 1.0A or Duo. But note that 3DPrinting is a hobby and requires tinkering and down the road even possible mods to your printer. It is not a plug and play type of thing like a regular printer. It will require you to go out and search for information on print issues that you WILL have such as the topic of this thread. It require adjustments to both hardware and software. As for XYZ in general? You get what you pay for. For the price it is a good printer but it may need work when it arrives and it may need work down the road. It is the nature of the beast when you have all these moving parts. Is there better? Sure if you want to spend a GRAND or more but then even those will still have issues and the learning curve to solving problems and quality issue. When it comes down to it, for the price you are not out much and you can learn a lot more about the ins and outs and actual hardware with these then you would with a much higher priced model.

Sorry urbantigerau, it seems your thread got hijacked and I apologize. Just wanted to answer the stray posters concerns.