1 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-15 19:08:36)

Topic: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

I printed this owl two years ago on my 3DStuffmaker in PLA. The layer is .1mm as confirmed by an inspection microscope I used at work one day. I am simply posting these so you guys most of you being new to printing have an idea of what .1mm prints actually look like. Seeing these you may understand what I mean when I say "I doubt the Da Vinci 1.0 can do .1mm layers with stock hardware.".

Again these where not done on the Da Vinci. I just wanted you guys to see what .1mm looks and the true capability of a well tuned machine. This is about the best you can expect from an FFF based printer like the 1.0 in stock form. If you want or are expecting better then you will be disappointed. You are better off considering and SLA system using resin or powder. Or a newer FFF system.

Also it took 8 hours to print this 50mm tall owl at 100% fill.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/solarenemy/20150113_024141.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/solarenemy/20150113_024156.jpg

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After flashing to repetier I can say that there is a noticeable different in a print done at .1 layer height in stock and in repetier. The repetier one seems smoother and has much less visible layers. Then again everything printed in repetier just seems better so it may not be just a layer height thing for me.

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There's an easy enough way to check. Print out a pyramid that's 10mm wide and 1mm tall. You should easily be able to count the visible layers (should be 10) and then measure the height with a caliper to confirm that it's 1mm tall.

Looking at that owl, assuming that it's really 50mm tall, I'm pretty sure my da vinci could do that no problem... or at least it could have, if I hadn't just bricked it an hour ago. Sigh.

4 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-15 06:57:21)

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LeoDuhVinci wrote:

There's an easy enough way to check. Print out a pyramid that's 10mm wide and 1mm tall. You should easily be able to count the visible layers (should be 10) and then measure the height with a caliper to confirm that it's 1mm tall.

Looking at that owl, assuming that it's really 50mm tall, I'm pretty sure my da vinci could do that no problem... or at least it could have, if I hadn't just bricked it an hour ago. Sigh.


The Da Vinci will give you .1mm layers but it fails to capture the lines in the wood as well as the feather textures on the cheek and the wings seen in the second image. The head is too heavy and the firmware acceleration is set too low to make moves that small.

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I hope you are not really impressed by your owl... because I'm sorry to say it's not that great... my da vinci 2.0 can print much better at .2mm and at .1mm well it's great , but I don't need too... but it's good to know I can... if you don't own a da vinci
don't pretend to know how they print...

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um, laserr...
as a suggestion you might want to read a few posts on this board, and you would appreciate that carl_m1968 does have a DaVinci, and is a major contributor to this board.
Furthermore he is not the only one who shares skepticism about XYZ's claim that the DaVinci can produce superior prints at .1mm, and that the photo carl_m1968 was not a boast about what his printer can do, but as the title of this post suggests, is provided as a point of reference when evaluating the DaVinci's .1mm performance.
Idle unsubstantiated claims such as "my da vinci 2.0 can print much better at .2mm and at .1mm well it's great , but I don't need too... but it's good to know I can" aren't productive or helpful.
On the other hand, if you were to provide a photo or two of the superior results you are getting from your DaVinci at .1mm resolution then that would be truly helpful and scores of folks will be eager to determine why your machine is so much better than the rest of ours.
This board is all about sharing experiences aimed at maximizing the potential of the DaVinci, not a pissing contest about how my printer is better than yours.

7 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-15 17:59:41)

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boxcarmib wrote:

um, laserr...
as a suggestion you might want to read a few posts on this board, and you would appreciate that carl_m1968 does have a DaVinci, and is a major contributor to this board.
Furthermore he is not the only one who shares skepticism about XYZ's claim that the DaVinci can produce superior prints at .1mm, and that the photo carl_m1968 was not a boast about what his printer can do, but as the title of this post suggests, is provided as a point of reference when evaluating the DaVinci's .1mm performance.
Idle unsubstantiated claims such as "my da vinci 2.0 can print much better at .2mm and at .1mm well it's great , but I don't need too... but it's good to know I can" aren't productive or helpful.
On the other hand, if you were to provide a photo or two of the superior results you are getting from your DaVinci at .1mm resolution then that would be truly helpful and scores of folks will be eager to determine why your machine is so much better than the rest of ours.
This board is all about sharing experiences aimed at maximizing the potential of the DaVinci, not a pissing contest about how my printer is better than yours.

Thanks Boxcarimb. He apparently can't read signatures either or would have know more about me. Nor can he read that I said this was about the Da Vinci 1.0. I know the 2.0 and Aoi are newer and more capable. But also a few hundred bucks more each. Some of us like myself don't have disposable income and have to settle for the lower priced models then make them better through surplus parts.. Some guys just have to show theirs is bigger to feel self assurance.

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laserrr wrote:

I hope you are not really impressed by your owl... because I'm sorry to say it's not that great... my da vinci 2.0 can print much better at .2mm and at .1mm well it's great


I have to agree with laserrr, my Da Vinci 2.0 can print fairly better than what carl_m1968 is showing in the photos.  Carl, when you say you printed that owl on a 3DStuffmaker a YEAR ago, you were comparing it to your da vinci 1.0 2nd gen.  The quality and reliance on xyz printers have gotten better since then, so you could have stated that owl print was better than what you have currently, not better than every da vinci.  Don't post things without considering what other people have, not what you have yourself.

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Would still love to see some pictures.

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To the people saying they print better quality:

Post some pics! I would love to see the quality you were able to achieve and figure out how to get mine to that level. Simply stating that you can do better with no proof doesn't help anyone.

carl-

Thanks for posting this reference picture!

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Dominick wrote:
laserrr wrote:

I hope you are not really impressed by your owl... because I'm sorry to say it's not that great... my da vinci 2.0 can print much better at .2mm and at .1mm well it's great


I have to agree with laserrr, my Da Vinci 2.0 can print fairly better than what carl_m1968 is showing in the photos.  Carl, when you say you printed that owl on a 3DStuffmaker a YEAR ago, you were comparing it to your da vinci 1.0 2nd gen.  The quality and reliance on xyz printers have gotten better since then, so you could have stated that owl print was better than what you have currently, not better than every da vinci.  Don't post things without considering what other people have, not what you have yourself.


Dude, you people need to read fully, not selectively. I did not make a comparison to ALL Da Vinci printers. This post was specifically and even stated about the 1.0 and not even the 1.0A, but the lowly 1.0 that I own. I have yet been able to get my 1.0 to print the owl as well as that 6 year old Stuffmaker did. In fact here is that same owl printed on the Da Vinci 1.0 As you can see, no where near the same definition.

As I said in other threads though I am not giving up on the DaV 1.0 nor am I really bashing it. All I am saying is that I don't believe with stock firmware, software, and hardware that you can do .1 layers and I am not alone.

Once I change my mainboard and my head I should be able to do .05 layers.

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Printed on my stock 1.0a set at .1 layer and excellent quality, standard speed. Scaled down to 50mm high. Sorry, best pics I can get.

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madmike8 wrote:

Printed on my stock 1.0a set at .1 layer and excellent quality, standard speed. Scaled down to 50mm high. Sorry, best pics I can get.

Very nice, as expected from a 1.0A which has been improved upon since the 1.0 was released. This Thread was more or less about us that got on board earlier and got the 1.0.

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madmike8 wrote:

Printed on my stock 1.0a set at .1 layer and excellent quality, standard speed. Scaled down to 50mm high. Sorry, best pics I can get.


Nice nice. Does anyone know what kind of hardware they revised in the 1a with regards to print quality? Is it a better out of box extruder assembly or z axis design?

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15 (edited by scobo 2015-01-17 16:22:23)

Re: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

In the interests of science big_smile and to satisfy my own curiosity, I thought I'd have a bash at printing the same model at 0.1mm layer height and 50mm tall on my Da Vinci 1.0.
It's the first print I've tried in a while at 0.1mm as I mostly use 0.3mm or 0.2mm.
I'm on stock firmware and used Cura to slice with a print speed of 10mm/s.

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/a5a508ef416e53dacccabab4dee93832_zpseae255fe.jpg


Pretty cr@p,  I'm sure you'll agree, so I had another go with exactly the same settings only at 0.2mm this time .....

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/6e13ce742ff4de206159d1a5014ebf7d_zpsec364108.jpg

Still not perfect but a big improvement.
So I'd say this pretty much backs up Carls' post about the Da Vinci 1.0 not being too good at 0.1mm on the stock firmware.
It would be interesting to see the results at 0.1mm with repetier if anyone could spare the time to try the same model.

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scobo wrote:

In the interests of science big_smile and to satisfy my own curiosity, I thought I'd have a bash at printing the same model at 0.1mm layer height and 50mm tall on my Da Vinci 1.0.
It's the first print I've tried in a while at 0.1mm as I mostly use 0.3mm or 0.2mm.
I'm on stock firmware and used Cura to slice with a print speed of 10mm/s.

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/a5a508ef416e53dacccabab4dee93832_zpseae255fe.jpg


Pretty cr@p,  I'm sure you'll agree, so I had another go with exactly the same settings only at 0.2mm this time .....

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/6e13ce742ff4de206159d1a5014ebf7d_zpsec364108.jpg

Still not perfect but a big improvement.
So I'd say this pretty much backs up Carls' post about the Da Vinci 1.0 not being too good at 0.1mm on the stock firmware.
It would be interesting to see the results at 0.1mm with repetier if anyone could spare the time to try the same model.

What speeds did you run that at Scobo? I have mine setup with Rep now so I might try running one today. The I can do a before and after on my upgrade.

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Both were done at 10mm/s.
I'm running another print at 0.1mm but this time with a fan mounted just above the nozzle, just out of interest as I usually get better results with small prints this way.
I'll post up the results later although I guess this is technically a hardware mod so not strictly speaking stock hardware ??

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18 (edited by scobo 2015-01-17 21:01:02)

Re: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

Well, the fan certainly made a difference at 0.1mm -

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/9cb5f55fb66482b53ab02aec7d90652e_zps00cdb203.jpg

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac28/scobodon/76d691ad824a86985a3c8b7dbb335ce2_zps57346e4e.jpg

Like I say, not sure if this qualifies as "stock hardware" though, given I used a fan mounted over the nozzle ....

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Scobo, that "fan on" owl looks pretty darn good to me.

20 (edited by scobo 2015-01-17 22:21:06)

Re: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

madmike8 wrote:

Scobo, that "fan on" owl looks pretty darn good to me.

Cheers. Not much wrong with yours either.
It didn't occur to me to try the fan at first but it certainly made a difference with this model.
I find it's the only way to get clean prints with tall, thin parts too. Even at thicker layer heights.

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Scobo;  The fan one looks great.  Is there a writeup to the fan setup you are running?

22 (edited by scobo 2015-01-26 17:29:05)

Re: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

Just print one of these http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:529837 and attach a 40mm fan.
I power mine from it's own 12v supply. Dead easy !

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Guys I'm having hellish problems with my Da Vinci 1.0 with regards to the accuracy of the height things come out at.
I've just printed a cube 9mm square and although it's 9mm in the x and y plane it prints only 8mm high! this is at 0.2mm layer height. Basically everything I print comes out not the correct height. Any ideas?

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social wrote:

Guys I'm having hellish problems with my Da Vinci 1.0 with regards to the accuracy of the height things come out at.
I've just printed a cube 9mm square and although it's 9mm in the x and y plane it prints only 8mm high! this is at 0.2mm layer height. Basically everything I print comes out not the correct height. Any ideas?

Your steps per mm on the Z axis are not correct. Unfortunate for you on an XYZ printer if you are running stock firmware this can not be accessed or changed.. Your only other possibility is your initial layer is way too squished.. But then that would mean the first 5 layers are all squished based on a .2mm layer height to loose 1mm.

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25 (edited by DopeSkrit 2016-01-25 18:00:33)

Re: Images for Reference, True .1mm Layers. (Not on a Da Vinci)

.1 layer height cheap PLA filament from eBay layer fan Da Vinci 1.0a Blue E3D Bowden custom X Carriage

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