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I don't know that it needs to be stuck to anything.  It may just lay there fine.

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It doesnt have to be, but it would be good to.

I guess heat resistant double sided tape on both the cork and heater would work. Or maybe few drops of superglue on the edges (to not damage anything if you'll one day need to take it off) which should work below 150C.

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Cork Tile is cheap and easily shaped to preference.  I may use the glue idea (I have gorilla glue so that'll be my glue of choice).

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I can't even find a cork tile in shops, lol. Where are they usually sold?

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redbarret wrote:

I can't even find a cork tile in shops, lol. Where are they usually sold?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018D … &psc=1

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Thanks. I didn't mean online.

Solidoodle 4

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Try an office supply store...Staples or Office Depot.

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Or a hardware/automotive store where they sell Cork Gasket material.

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

34 (edited by TickTock 2015-01-17 17:30:00)

Re: SD4 Heatbed Installation

I'm not so sure cork is such a good idea.  One of the main reasons I started this mod was because the SD4 aluminum bed wouldn't stay flat causing poor conductance to the glass plate.  I am using 3/8" CE Phenolic which is great but am discovering it is almost impossible to keep the PCB heater flat when attached via the corner screws.  The board started with the corners a bit high so I thought the screws would easily pull them down flat but finding that is not working too well - the cork is too soft and doesn't keep it planar.  I think I am going to remove the cork and attach directly to the backboard via heavy-duty 3M double-sided tape.
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35 (edited by redbarret 2015-01-17 19:59:54)

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I think there are different corks, both soft and stronger.

But now that I look at your photos I guess we can cut acrylic, plywood or something with a hole in the middle for the thermistor wire to come out, replace the aluminum bed and screw the new heatbed directly onto it, and not have a 3-layer sandwich?

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You'll still be putting glass over it, correct?

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IronMan wrote:

You'll still be putting glass over it, correct?

Yes.  I added four tapped #6 holes on the outside for TBD 3d printed glass retainers.  I have several plates I swap out so don't want to mess with adhesive on the bottom of the glass.  Currently using spring clips but I hope to eliminate them as occasionally they do trip up the print head.

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TickTock wrote:
IronMan wrote:

You'll still be putting glass over it, correct?

Yes.  I added four tapped #6 holes on the outside for TBD 3d printed glass retainers.  I have several plates I swap out so don't want to mess with adhesive on the bottom of the glass.  Currently using spring clips but I hope to eliminate them as occasionally they do trip up the print head.

You might just try not having the bed home before a print. No matter what there is a risk of the hotend snagging because the distances are so short. I drop mine 10mm before the print head moves.

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jagowilson wrote:

You might just try not having the bed home before a print. No matter what there is a risk of the hotend snagging because the distances are so short. I drop mine 10mm before the print head moves.

[Palm-to-forehead] Now why didn't I think of that? tongue Dropping 10mm at the start is a great suggestion!

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jagowilson wrote:

You might just try not having the bed home before a print. No matter what there is a risk of the hotend snagging because the distances are so short. I drop mine 10mm before the print head moves.

Did you put that code in the g-code start section of repetier?  Can you share the code?

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wardjr wrote:
slimstar2 wrote:

Hi wardjr      The amp draw on my bed heater is 11.75 and 14 ga wire handles the load just fine . I fried a 40 amp SSR . So I went back to the mechanical relay .

This why I suggested following in the steps of IronMan and going with the 60 amp SSR with heatsink.

Also, even with a 60A SSR, you MUST put a large fan on the heatsink blowing across the vanes...I positioned mine right on the output side of one of my board cooling fans...

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42 (edited by TickTock 2015-01-18 20:07:06)

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I purchased an 80A SSR because that and the 25A versions were the only ones designed for 12V (for some reason the 40A & 60A by the same manufacturer (Mager) only go down to 24V.  However, I learned that the FET on the Prinrboard can easily handle the 10A used by the heater so I just replaced the connector and called it good.  Seems to work well enough.  Still took 20 minutes to reach 100C and see 20C lower at the corners.  Kicking myself for not taking an IR image of the stock but with the 6" lower wattage heater I am sure it had to be worse.
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Also. Although I do not recommend this, I used #20 wire to hook up the heater (just because that was what I had on-hand with high-temp insulation).  I read 1.2Ohms both at the PCB and the Printrboard so the wire contributes less than 0.1Ohm (the resolution of my meter).  I put the spot of the FLIR on the wire in the pic below and you can see the wire is slightly higher temp (30C) but I am OK with that since the glass insulation is rated up to 250C.  :-)
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44 (edited by redbarret 2015-01-18 23:56:38)

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TickTock wrote:

However, I learned that the FET on the Prinrboard can easily handle the 10A used by the heater so I just replaced the connector and called it good.  Seems to work well enough

Some people here and there told me I can connect directly to the board no problem and it is just slower heating that way, then someone I think at reprap.org linked to a thread where the Printrboard creator was saying yout shouldn't go over 7A for the heatbed connector.
I'll try to find the link.
EDIT: Here it is: http://www.printrbottalk.com/forum/view … 299#p53542

That doesnt look like good even heating, which is weird for a MK2.
Here are similar thermal images here: http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2230/the … ed-setups/

BTW, have you ran a pid tuning after replacing the heatbed?

Solidoodle 4

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Thanks for that link.  Gives me something to work toward.  I definitely am not seeing anything as uniform as even the stock with glass in the link.  I checked without the glass thinking maybe a contact problem but still see  about 20C delta.  I guess I will try a different heater.  Glad I didn't glue it down!

Also, I did replace the connector.  It was clear from inspection that it was not designed for much current.

46 (edited by jagowilson 2015-01-19 04:12:51)

Re: SD4 Heatbed Installation

I am curious to see IR images of the silicone heat pads on mcmaster versus the MK2 now. The MK2 looks like it's performing kinda ok. I think your heat up times should be much faster than 20 minutes from what I've heard, though.

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TickTock wrote:

Also, I did replace the connector.  It was clear from inspection that it was not designed for much current.

It's not just the connector:

If you got your Printrboard from Printrbot, it should handle up to 20V. However, the current limits on the heater outputs still apply, so make sure you're not using more than about 10A total, and no more than ~7A from any one heater output.

http://www.printrbottalk.com/forum/view … 299#p53542

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redbarret wrote:

That doesnt look like good even heating, which is weird for a MK2.
Here are similar thermal images here: http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2230/the … ed-setups/

After looking a bit closer, I think my results are actually quite similar.  I am seeing 20C delta on all but the standard SD3 bed and QU-BD+ceramic tile in the report.  I am no worse then that - it just looks worse in my image because I am using a different color scale.  Looks to me that the heater on bottom (standard SD3) provides the best uniformity (15C) thanks to the aluminum spreader but suffers only from flatness and heatup time.  Maybe I should stick with aluminum (but maybe thicker to help avoid warping) and find a higher power heater to help with the heatup time.

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nbourg8 wrote:

I'm starting this thread because I have not found a proper way to install a new heatbed on the SD4 Printrboard 3d Printer.  My intention is to simply lay the new heatbed on top of the metal surface that comes with the SD4 and remove the heater mat from underneath.  Then, ontop of the new heatbed, a 3/16" sheet of glass cut from lowes 8"x8".

My parts:
40A SSR Solid State Relay
....


i have a problem with that.. you link a DC to AC SSR, but you need a DC to DC SSR like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Amico-SSR-40DD-Co … B009AQNBJW

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ysb wrote:

i have a problem with that.. you link a DC to AC SSR, but you need a DC to DC SSR like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Amico-SSR-40DD-Co … B009AQNBJW

Ha!  Oh man thank you very much for this.  As you've probably expected, I've not yet connected anything and thus, haven't made this discovery on my own.  New part in the mail now.