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Topic: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

So I stumbled upon this on thingiverse:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:438945/#files

and I really like it.  I want to use in in conjunction with Pirvan's belt clip carriages to get very secure and tight Y belts. 

However, it does not have a nut trap and just relies on the threading the bolt thru the plastic to get the tension.  It would be way better if it had a nut trap in there.  I started it in sketchup but I don't know how to import the stl and start from there so I printed it and I've been measuring it with calipers.  And I'm struggling because I'm just not that good in sketchup.  Anybody want to take over?  I think the concept is great.

Also, how about modifying the right carriage with the idler to have a similar tension-able idler?  I can visualize it but my CAD skills still aren't there.

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

I'll be happy to help but won't get to it for a couple of days.
PM me with more descriptive details.

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3 (edited by pirvan 2015-01-12 07:18:06)

Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Well... I couldn't resist, so here's my take on this:


http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=7360


It would require some drilling:
1.  Remove or drill out the existing PEM nut (Pressed in threaded fitting) that currently holds the mounts
2.  Drill an additional 3mm hole, 11mm to the side of the existing hole.

Aside from the original M5 screw and locking nut, you will also need to M3 screws and nuts.  The mounting screw should be 8mm, the adjustment screw should be 20mm.

Have fun.... smile

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4 (edited by mdrVB6 2015-01-12 14:08:19)

Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Very nice work again!  The drilling shouldn't be too bad.  Hopefully everything is thick enough to avoid any cracking.  I will print 100% infill with ABS and nylon and see what works.  This is probably better than the old version mod that I had in mind since there is only 1 screw to tighten instead of 2.  I might put some flanged bearings on it instread of the stock pulleys.  Thanks!

Edit: Just taking another look and I'm not entirely convinced that the inner piece offers enough range on the adjustment before the end of the bolt would hit the pulley.  But then again you don't need much so I'll know for sure once I assemble it.  I guess the key would be to tension it when it is all the way out then crank down on it only as much as needed.

PS: Pirvan, I printed your new carriages in nylon and ABS this weekend.  I'm not convinced that nylon is any better than ABS for the main carriage bodies but the nylon was great for the belt clips since it is less brittle in the thin pieces.  I've got an idea for a tension-able adjustment in mind for the X idler too that would involve a nut trap similar to this design.  Want me to send you a sketch?

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Last night I was trolling eBay for stuff, and came across this super simple spring tensioner.  It's similar in concept to the Y motor belt tensioner I did. 

I was thinking about printing the devices I posted and giving them a try, until I saw this.  Take a look at the picture below, and how they're attaching the belt to the carriage, remind you of anything...  Anyway, I ought a few of these springs from China.  They should get here in a week or so.


http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=7371

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6 (edited by mdrVB6 2015-01-12 19:00:27)

Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Does the solidoodle have enough "range" to put those on the belts?  Obviously, you can't pass that around the idler and I'm thinking it might collide.  When I get home I'm going to try to seperate the pieces of your tensionsers in netfabb so I can print them without being that close together.

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

It can't collide as long as it isn't longer than the carriage running on the opposite side of the pulleys and it is centered when installed.  Think about it wink

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Makes sense but I just wasn't sure since it does have a certain length to it. 

Anyway, folger tech also sells these, probably a little quicker than most ebay sellers. 

My only complaint is that its too simple, I like a big contraption to solve these minor problems tongue

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

mdrVB6 wrote:

My only complaint is that its too simple, I like a big contraption to solve these minor problems tongue

Ha! That's an easy trap to fall into smile

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10 (edited by pirvan 2015-01-12 20:19:03)

Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Move your print head to it's homed position (all the wayback), then add the spring on the top part of the belt,  at the opposite end as close to the idler pulley as it can go without touching anything (about 1/4" before it reaches the idler pulley block).

When the print head moves all they way to the front, the belt and the spring will move back there shouldn't be any interferences, with the possible exception of the 5mm bolt on the right carriage, which overly long, and should be cut down to length anyway, or inverted so the socket head is on top.

mdrVB6 wrote:
My only complaint is that its too simple, I like a big contraption to solve these minor problems

I love Rube Goldberg contraptions myself, but simplicity is the mother of elegance.

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Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

Could you just use a clothespin spring?  Looks just like them!

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12 (edited by pirvan 2015-01-13 04:12:55)

Re: Anybody better than me in CAD who wants to take over this mod?

A clothespin spring is similar, but it probably won't work that well here.  The angle between the legs on the tensioning spring is about 100-120°, whereas the clothespin spring legs are at about 5° or less.

Additionally, the legs on these springs have ends that are turned at 90° to capture the sides of the belt and prevent it from slipping off.  Here is a comparison, clothespin on the left, tensioning spring on the right:


http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=7379

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