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Topic: severe offset printing problem

In case anyone else encounters this issue...

My printer would start a print job and then suddenly shift on the x an y axis location and continue printing somewhere else.  I tried different files and then, in this picture, you can see i also tried to print a sample file to see if it was something with the files that were being sent over.  After corresponding with customer support, I had the option to send back the unit for repair or send back the motherboard.  I opted for the latter.  We'll see how that turns out.

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Looks like your just losing steps, a very common issue with most FDM printers. when the motors get overloaded either by not enough torque or too much heat they simply lose steps and the controller does not know the loss of position happened so it goes about sending commands to keep on printing... this is how all of the open loop stepper motor systems work on cheaper cnc systems.

a quick search should show you many of the causes of lost steps and how to overcome them.

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You could also check your belts. If they are not tensioned properly, the stepper gear will skip steps just like you've shown.

Try print this simple model out:

thingiverse dot com / thing:34553

with 0.3mm layers, no infill, and reply back with some pics of the results so we can try help out if it's another issue.

if it isn't broken, you haven't modded it enough

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That is SOOO far off I find it hard to believe it is a missed step issue. If it is missed steps it seems the drivers shut off for extended periods to produce such off print.

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joshj wrote:

That is SOOO far off I find it hard to believe it is a missed step issue. If it is missed steps it seems the drivers shut off for extended periods to produce such off print.

Yeah, exactly.  Customer Support (I've mainly been working with Charles) initially also thought that it was just just skipping a bit until they looked at the pictures.  Tension on belts seems fine.

In any case, my replacement motherboard should be arriving today, so we'll see how that goes.

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I've had similar issues with a nearly 1" shift in the x axis from one layer to the next.  The first one happened on a long print, it shifted 1/3 of the way through the piece in the middle of the night.  Printing the same object a few days later resulted in a perfectly fine print after 16 hours.  However, the shift just happened again 10 minutes ago on a small build to test the firmware update that just went through this morning.  After turning the machine off and on and attempting the print again it is working.  Gotta love random bugs.  Any ideas? No response from tech support yet...

Make something dammit!

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I had my Davinci do this one time. Of course it was when I had my back turned for 5 minutes.
I believe it was a filament snag. It was a new black cartridge that I noticed didn't want to feed easily at first.
It pulled the head back about 3/4 of an inch.
Just a thought.

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I replaced the mother board.  It now prints the demo key fine and mixed results on prints.  Sometimes in prints ok in the right location  Sometimes in prints ok in the wrong location (i.e. offset) esp. with smaller objects.  Sometimes it doesn't print because it's in the wrong location (esp. larger objects).  Sometimes it just seems like the print instructions are really screwed up and it just prints non-objects.

Tech Support gave me a beta of the 1.06 Mac software to try even though I had already tried a PC and Mac and two different USB cables.  Same results or if anything, the new software seems worse.

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sorry to hear you are still having trouble. I just noticed this evening that my mac software requested to download an update. I am assuming that it is 1.06. I may hold off. Did you see any new features or improvements?

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well, after going back and forth with support, my unit is headed back for repair/exchange.  in the meantime, I have a flashforge creator x on the way...

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Mine did that a couple of times with the stock firmware / software combination.

Since then, I have installed the custom firmware and use repetier host and it hasn't done it since (I say that now....).

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Oh, and when it happened to me, I contacted support - got their canned "someone will get back to you" and never heard from them again!  I sent follow ups with no response.  Because of the lack of support, I decided to go the open firmware route!

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Yeah I dont get how their support works at all, some people say they got super fast responses, I sent 4 emails without a single one being answered.

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I had pretty quick responses from support when I contacted them about the infuriating heat-bed leveling system they have. I eventually got it to work, but the person was very willing to schedule a time for a phone call to get it sorted.
Anyway, I've had a pretty vicious shifting issue on my XYZ as well. But what's weird, is that it doesn't seem to be random. I started printing with their stock firmware/software (not stock stock, updated with their software, firmware "J") and was having very impressive prints right out of the box. I then printed the Makerbot model and it printed well enough, but almost all of the moving parts were welded together. So I began looking into things, and found that you can use a version of their software with slic3r. I did that, set everything up and calibrated it with some online tools to make more accurate prints, then I printed the model. About half way up the model, it shifted about half an inch backwards, midway through his body. I thought that was pretty weird, but just counted it off as a fluke. I then did it again, and found it was shifted again in exactly the same place. I then downgraded to the beloved -g- firmware, and printed again. It didn't shift.. almost. I could tell in exactly the same spot on the model, there is a very slight variance. Some models don't give any trouble. I just printed a larger model and found that after printing the base, it shifted about half an inch (always in the same direction) and then printed the rest of the rather large model perfectly. But the question is, why always at that same spot, on only some models?

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@Scofthe7seas
Odds are the model has errors. Being homemade made many of the thingverse models do. hmm
Try opening your model with NetFabb Basic (free) repair and resave it. That may fix the "same spot on the model' issue.

@cadarousse
I have had the same issue, usually with a full cartridge. I actual saw it happen once. After it happed a few more times I just removed all the spools form the cartages and made a PVC Pipe rack to hold them. Putting the empty cartage in the printer and feeding the spool down from the top.
This worked fine until I wore / tore a grove in the edge of the rubber feed tube by the cartridge. Then it started to snag / bind on that. I just removed it and feed the filament through the empty hole, no more problems.

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Re: severe offset printing problem

Having a similar problem when printing out the tri-joints for the hyperbolic planetary gearset (aug 26 2014) listed in Thingiverse. When I print them with bearing stubs pointing down, the stub bearing quality is poor. If I try inverting the CAD model and printing stubs pointing up, the bearing quality is fine. However I get a sudden XY permanent offset of about 15mm, about 10mm up from the glass, rendering the part unusable. Tried it three times and the offset is in the same place each time. Curious that the offset appears with stubs up but not with stubs down.

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mcgyro wrote:

Having a similar problem when printing out the tri-joints for the hyperbolic planetary gearset (aug 26 2014) listed in Thingiverse. When I print them with bearing stubs pointing down, the stub bearing quality is poor. If I try inverting the CAD model and printing stubs pointing up, the bearing quality is fine. However I get a sudden XY permanent offset of about 15mm, about 10mm up from the glass, rendering the part unusable. Tried it three times and the offset is in the same place each time. Curious that the offset appears with stubs up but not with stubs down.


Did they have any actual makes posted? Did you run the stl through netfabb? Most of the stuff oh Thingi is just coceived models that generate an stl. But a majority of them have never been printed or even proven ptintsble. 

Many of the model makers over there have no concept of how printers work or what is needed to make a model printed. Many just enjoy making 3D models and never intended for them to be printed.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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A few commentators said they had successful builds. The thing that has me beat is that the offset problem only happens when I print with the stubs pointing upwards. No problem when stubs are downwards. I'll try netfabb, and also I'll try adding a pedestal to see if the offset stays at the same height from the glass or remains relative to the tri-joint. Troubleshooting by printing takes so long though, so suggestions are appreciated.

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enginerd wrote:

In case anyone else encounters this issue...

My printer would start a print job and then suddenly shift on the x an y axis location and continue printing somewhere else.  I tried different files and then, in this picture, you can see i also tried to print a sample file to see if it was something with the files that were being sent over.  After corresponding with customer support, I had the option to send back the unit for repair or send back the motherboard.  I opted for the latter.  We'll see how that turns out.

I have a pretty new printer with about two weeks worth of printing on it (1.0a flavor) and it starting shifting prints like this and after much testing it turns out that the wires plugging into the stepper motor on the side were rubbing back and forth on the plastic wall near the hand hold, and as those wires at the plug (for the motor and end stop sensor) wiggle back and forth it would cause my prints to randomly shift.  I tried swapping the wiring harness between the X and Y steppers to test this and got the same random shifting on the same motor.  So I think it's the plug on the stepper motor that is loosing connection as it wiggles rather than the harness.  I removed the plastic wall on that side and pushed that side up against the wall so it's not wide open, but nothing there for those wires to rub against and haven't had any issues since.

Eventually I'll probably replace that motor with one that doesn't have this type of connector, or maybe just open it up and solder the wiring harness into it.

Hope this helps!

J.

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Thanks to jsnbrgg for the heads ip on the X axis plug.  My DaVinci 1.0a has begun sever step loss as well (X axis only).  This is after flash to lucs repetier .92, but appears unrelated.  Motors are not hot, nor are driver chips.  I didn't believe the plug, but tried removing the right side.  The missed steps were much less severe, but still present.  I tried conductivity paste on the plug, and slight bends in the male pins to no avail.  Finally, in desperation, I removed the motor, disassembled, removed the plug, and soldered in a solid portion of wire.  My next 14 hour print was flawless.  At this point, I put the right side back on - and my missed steps were back.  I have removed the right side again, and am much farther into my next print with no lost steps.  Perhaps it is not the plug but actual defective wires.  The stock harness certainly tends to kink around the carriage at the X axis motor.

At this point, I expect that the wire will likely fail completely before long, and I will replace the harness with decent motion grade wires instead of the cheap crap that xyZprinting installed as a full motion harness.

Note that I will begin a new thread with listing this as a known defect in the da vinci printer, so others with the same problrm can find it easier...

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After some troubleshooting I have resolved my X axis missing steps.  I am sure that everyone with a divinci will encounter this issue eventually.  The wire harness going to the X axis is made with VERY cheap brittle wire.  I found my issue when I was lightly pulling on the wire and the orange one just broke in half in my hand!  all of the wires in that area were found to be cracked / weakened.  my break occurred about 3 inches out side the motor where it has to bend back and forth during printing.  I replaced the wire with high quality servo wire and my missed steps are gone!  I did not have any extra plugs that attach to the stepper motor so I cut the wires about 1 inch from the connector and soldered in new servo wire.  MY case is back together and I am on my third print with no missed steps.

I highly suggest everyone replace the wire harness going to the stepper motor.  I am sure you could get away with just replacing the wire that moves back and forth during printing - but that will solve your missed steps.

Thanks for all the great info!

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For anybody else having offset issues, This may not be the cause for you, but I had a similar problem and it turned out the way the wiring going to the extruder was held on the extruder/hot end chassis, it would sometimes get caught on the lever and hold it back. I ended up rerouting the wiring and haven't had any problems since (I can get a picture if this was hard to understand).

da Vinci 1.0
Repetier Firmware, E3D v6 Hot End
Successfully printed in: ABS, PLA, Ninjaflex, Nylon, and Woodfill

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what kind of connectors are used on the x-axis harness? I pulled the harness and I just want to rebuild a new one and never have this problem again

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chevydan6 wrote:

what kind of connectors are used on the x-axis harness? I pulled the harness and I just want to rebuild a new one and never have this problem again

They dont have a specific name as they are made by a host of companies. You will just need to go to Mouser or Digikeys website and look at images and match them. Or go on ebay and buy nema 17 stepper harness like I was thinking of doing till I found my issue was a bad driver.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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chevydan6 wrote:

what kind of connectors are used on the x-axis harness? I pulled the harness and I just want to rebuild a new one and never have this problem again


It is a JST and the X axis is a 4 pin JST.