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Topic: stops extruding after first layer?

Hi I gave a 1.0 davinci and using stock software for about 6 months now. Got a problem where the filament stops coming out about the second layer. I have tired different brand filaments and different extruder temperatures. I have tried 210c 220c 230c and 236  but same problem with stock or 3rd party filaments. Help
Also it does have the deans connector in place of the stock one that goes bad. Tip temperature seems ok but not sure what the temp is when it stops extruding. It seems to get slightly clogged, but then i just run the load filament button and apply slight pressure to the filament and it extrudes ok
Pulling my hair out trying to figure this one out

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Re: stops extruding after first layer?

hansen644 wrote:

Hi I gave a 1.0 davinci and using stock software for about 6 months now. Got a problem where the filament stops coming out about the second layer. I have tired different brand filaments and different extruder temperatures. I have tried 210c 220c 230c and 236  but same problem with stock or 3rd party filaments. Help
Also it does have the deans connector in place of the stock one that goes bad. Tip temperature seems ok but not sure what the temp is when it stops extruding. It seems to get slightly clogged, but then i just run the load filament button and apply slight pressure to the filament and it extrudes ok
Pulling my hair out trying to figure this one out


Does it do this on all prints including one of the sample prints?

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yes all prints. Not sure about sample prints though. I will have to try it

4 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-06 03:32:54)

Re: stops extruding after first layer?

hansen644 wrote:

yes all prints. Not sure about sample prints though. I will have to try it

Try the keychain since it is quick, and see if it does the same thing. I ask you to do this to eliminate the possibility of it being the Gcode. If all prints including samples do it, then it is hardware. But if the samples do not do it then it is an issue with your gcode, maybe the header.

If you can post the header of one of your gcode files along with the first 10 to 20 lines.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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Yeah its a hardware problem. Still can not figure it out.

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Is it always the second layer or is their a variation? The only things that can affect it hardware wise, is temperature being too low or the extruder motor is stopping. This can be caused by the sensor thinking you are out of filament but that should throw up an alarm. Or the four pin harness going in to the motor could have an intermittent open but his would cause it to be more random. If it is specific and at a certain time it could also be temperature related. Is the stepper motor really hot I mean nearly to hot to touch when it stops? The display should show you the current temp. So see what it is when it stops.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Hi it does it at ramdom times not always the second layer, some times the first and some times the third. The motor is very hot to the touch though.

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Found today when printing long objects positioned left to right on the bed all is ok, but when printing with the objects positioned front of bed to rear, extruder gets clogged?  I have found the glass bed to be higher in the middle vs the edges by a lot. I glass seems to be not truly flat.

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hansen644 wrote:

Found today when printing long objects positioned left to right on the bed all is ok, but when printing with the objects positioned front of bed to rear, extruder gets clogged?  I have found the glass bed to be higher in the middle vs the edges by a lot. I glass seems to be not truly flat.

That would explain the high temp on your motor. It was having to work harder to push the filament in the tighter areas.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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So should I put more of a gap between the bed and tip?

11 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-07 01:52:07)

Re: stops extruding after first layer?

hansen644 wrote:

So should I put more of a gap between the bed and tip?


At the smallest gap you should be able to slip a piece of paper through and feel very slight drag. You could go down to .05 on the height but you would need a feeler gauge to confirm it. That would then get you closer in the higher areas. Going much lower than .05 will but back pressure on the extruder and cause the motor to overheat and shut down. Remember if the motor is getting hot then the driver is getting much hotter and shutting down to avoid damage. I have managed to get it low enough to make a layer you could see through, but again that puts a lot of stress on your motor drivers and this board is not using the best drivers.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Hi thanks for your help. Not sure what a motor driver is? I know what the motor is lol, but not the driver.
I think I know what the problem may be. I am using 3rd party filament from florida-filaments com and I have the spool holder on the top of the machine. I have the filament routed through the lid opening ( where you would put your hand to lift the lid) and found when pulling the filament toward the front edge of the bed, the filament has to make a sharp u shape bend through the lid opening. I found I had to pull kind of hard to get the filament to the front edge area of the bed. Even though the spool holder I made has bearings, still kind of hard to pull filament at such a sharp bend.  I think that is why the motor is getting hot. I am not sure how strong of a pull, a motor can pull filament?  thoughts?

I am going to mount the spool holder directly behind the machine tomorrow and drill a hole straight into the stock xzy filament grommet tube, and run my filament through there for less stress pull on the filament and see what happens.

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hansen644 wrote:

Hi thanks for your help. Not sure what a motor driver is? I know what the motor is lol, but not the driver.
I think I know what the problem may be. I am using 3rd party filament from florida-filaments com and I have the spool holder on the top of the machine. I have the filament routed through the lid opening ( where you would put your hand to lift the lid) and found when pulling the filament toward the front edge of the bed, the filament has to make a sharp u shape bend through the lid opening. I found I had to pull kind of hard to get the filament to the front edge area of the bed. Even though the spool holder I made has bearings, still kind of hard to pull filament at such a sharp bend.  I think that is why the motor is getting hot. I am not sure how strong of a pull, a motor can pull filament?  thoughts?

I am going to mount the spool holder directly behind the machine tomorrow and drill a hole straight into the stock xzy filament grommet tube, and run my filament through there for less stress pull on the filament and see what happens.


I have mine feeding through the top door and on a bearing based holder as well. I have yet to have issue with it, but I have no printed beyond the first 3 inches of the bed yet. All mu prints have been out to about 45mm from center max so far. I am switching over to a Bowden setup with the E3D hotend in a few days so I just need it to print long enough and good enough to finish my carriage for the new hotend.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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what are the benefits to A different extruder? New here and interested.

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hansen644 wrote:

what are the benefits to A different extruder? New here and interested.

Better control and the ability to use PLA, polycarbonate, wood, nylon, flexible, and pretty much any other filament on the market. Even the metal filaments from Proto-pasta. You can also change the nozzle size for better quality prints or faster prints. You can go from a .5mm nozzle to a .1mm nozzle. Of course anything below .3 you are asking to get clogged if you get poor filament. Right now with the Da Vinci 1.0 you can only use ABS with stock setup. Even once the release PLA in a few months only the DUO and Aoi will be able to use it.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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well I made it where there is no resistance on the filament pull and still same problem. It stops printing mid print on any brand filament. I am at a loss.

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Note it only does this on larger prints that fill the bed area.  small sizes works fine

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Also note the bigger prints have a lot of small circles that and shapes where the extruder has to stop and start.

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hansen644 wrote:

Also note the bigger prints have a lot of small circles that and shapes where the extruder has to stop and start.

I thought you narrowed it down to being to close to the bed around the outside areas due to the bed being warped?

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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This may be a shot in the dark but could it be the connector for the hot end?

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connector is good. Reads  230C when it stops printing

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hansen644 wrote:

connector is good. Reads  230C when it stops printing

I forgot to ask, or did not notice but are you on stock firmware or Repetier?

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Stock xyz firm and software  but using a chip resetter to adjust temps

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hansen644 wrote:

Stock xyz firm and software  but using a chip resetter to adjust temps

Ok not what I thought. Repetier firmware seems to have communication protocol error in it where it does not tell the software when the printers buffer is full. So it just streams all the file to the printer and the printer will just print whatever got loaded to the buffer and just stop like it is done. In its mind it is. Have not figured out what causes it. Work around is just to print from the SD card. That wont help you either since you confirmed samples on the printer do the same.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

25 (edited by hansen644 2015-01-08 03:09:14)

Re: stops extruding after first layer?

Thanks you for the quick reply.  I did just now find when I did a bed level test print where the head prints a big square line all the way around the bed edges that the plastic extruder carriage hits both the rear corner bed glass screws and pushes the bed down as it goes over the screws. New here but that does not seem right. Correct?