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Topic: out sourced 3D printing customers

have not seen a topic for this yet.
I have samples on display at a local hobby shop with contact info for 3D printing. had a call last week a guy wanted a quote on designing and printing a light weight (PVC) pipe flange to use for stanchions at train shows. (several types on Thingaverse already) I sliced a sample and it would take 1 and 1/2 to 2 hours to print depending on settings. now this same item can be bought at Home depot for under a dollar. a steel threaded one for like $5. how does somebody think "hey I can have 20 of these 3D printed in a few mins for less"?

seems 90% of the world has no clue how a 3D printer can be used to make items NOT available anywhere else for any price. or make an R&D sample model or at least something that cost several dollars or have shipped around the world.
most stl files I see on thingaverse are available at 99 cent stores and take more plastic than that plus time.
I only make items that are not avail when needed or that can sell for more than cost of printing. yet I have a library of over 7K stl files (likely never print most but better to have and not need than need and not have. plus I have found if ya dont download and save things off the web when available. they become unavailable for one reason or another soon.

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where i think the growth is ( and i have my business riding on this) is in education.

if you have a print farm of 5 well maintained machines you can start selling blocks of build time... say 200 hours for £750-1000.

might seem like a lot but when you consider the logistical nightmare a school would face trying to take the task on themselves it works out cheaper to outsource it.

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interesting. so how would the school use those hours? 5 student users per half day of tech school or?

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n2ri wrote:

I only make items that are not avail when needed or that can sell for more than cost of printing.

+1
I never print anything that I can buy for a few bucks...or machine if it makes more sense.  I don't print for the sake of printing...I need to make the best components in the best way practical.

As cool (and sometimes frustrating) as it is, 3D printing is just another tool in the arsenal...

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students make models - run em through a preconfigured repetier host package to estimate build time then they email me a zip file with the models which i print and ship straight off the bed ( including support material to keep post costs down) in a job lot

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proctor_richard wrote:

students make models - run em through a preconfigured repetier host package to estimate build time then they email me a zip file with the models which i print and ship straight off the bed ( including support material to keep post costs down) in a job lot

sounds cool. wonder if my local schools would want to do something like that

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have not seen a topic for this yet.
I have samples on display at a local hobby shop with contact info for 3D printing. had a call last week a guy wanted a quote on designing and printing a light weight (PVC) pipe flange to use for stanchions at train shows. (several types on Thingaverse already) I sliced a sample and it would take 1 and 1/2 to 2 hours to print depending on settings. now this same item can be bought at Home depot for under a dollar. a steel threaded one for like $5. how does somebody think "hey I can have 20 of these 3D printed in a few mins for less"?

IMHO  in our modern society of mass cheap instant consumption, people have little clue of how anything is made. People often expect custom one of a kind work for the price of a mass produced  version. The wall marts and dollar stores of the world avail us with amazing variety of products often for a dollar.
As a result craftsmanship  artwork and creativity are often devalued and cheapened in the eyes of the unformed.

I remember a story told years ago at a blacksmith conference. A couple had cut a photo from a catalog of a iron headboard for a bed and asked for a price to have one made. They were appalled when the Blacksmith told them his price. IIRC is was about ten times the price in the catalog. For some reason they though HE could make one cheaper. 

Many people have there views formed by the unformed media.  Statements like "This group is making 3-D printed prosthetic hands with the press of a button and only cost $ 50." While not a lie and  not totally untrue it is not really the whole truth either.
The item was made by a volunteer, took many hours to design, about 12-14 hours to print and another hour plus to assemble. So throw labor cost of any sort of craftsman into the equation and the cost is realty much higher.

IMHO the customer consumer needs to understand the value  of one or two of a kind custom products and the craftsman needs to know what questions to ask and when to suggest home depot or the hardware store etc as a source of cheap functional product.
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+1
I have given people a quote to print something and their reply is (ARE YOU Crazy) as they walk off.
So now I tell them from the start ( before looking at what they want & figuring their cost) it will not be cheap.
for a 1 off at a machine shop they would charge over $20 an hour with 1 hour minimum.

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yep, sometimes only another craftsman can appreciate a craftsman's work. but how do millionaires value million dollar paintings/art yet think other handcrafted art is basement dollar shop value? they pay a fortune for handcrafted custom items at theme parks or exhibits or auctions many of which where mass produced by replicator machines like prints, sculptures, carvings etc. i do lots of similar tings yet get scoffed at for just wanting compensated for my time and material. its like the old "you make how much more than me an hour for no labor just thinking and telling others what to do!"

I used to do service and install of HVAC and appliances. done moon light service calls for extra income. had an education director customer with rent homes. he told me he didnt want to pay a service charge for each property just pay flat hourly rate with no travel fee. I said OK no service calls. next call I gave him bill with same fee as b4. he said "we agreed no service call" I said true, look what fee says. it was titled "Education surcharge" I said thats for my knowledge what to do besides labor for doing it. since he was also making a living from Education he got it and never complained again. lol

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I have given people a quote to print something and their reply is (ARE YOU Crazy) as they walk off.
So now I tell them from the start ( before looking at what they want & figuring their cost) it will not be cheap.
for a 1 off at a machine shop they would charge over $20 an hour with 1 hour minimum

do you just give them a number, or do you provide them provide them with an actual quote that has the prices broken down?  estimate the design time, material cost, setup, machine time, and assembly time, and have it all totaled up?  Showing them where the costs come from may be a good way to make them see that the material price is only a small part.   

It's the same type of thing as the people who say "why am I paying $25 for a CD when the plastic for the disk only costs $0.25?"

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yeah, have you ever gotten an itemized bill from Dr or Hospital showing why your out patient procedure was a years income for most of the working class people? lol even insurance company dont anymore just a copple codes (some double billed too). because most people still would say that.

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your not going to make money doing the occasional piece for 3d printing. What you want is to find a customer who wants 3d printing done at scale.

also you need to think.. what is my desired hourly rate? what do i want to be charging on average per print? how many printers do i need to be able to achieve this.

the more printers you have the less you charge per print. so aiming at schools, colleges, design houses where you sell blocks of build hours NOT individual models is where you will make a profit.

your enemy is downtime. you want to be printing out all the time.

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also don't forget maintenance costs. stuff breaks. i'm still crunching numbers for doing printing for various folks at my university. haven't really come out ahead yet on anything i've sold unfortunately. printer still needs a lot of work but any cash helps. folks keep coming back so i must be doing *something* right.

You'd be surprised how many people actually want prints when you're the only one offering ABS at a reasonable rate. My library wants $1 per cubic cm of material for ABS printing--ridiculous hahaha. Once my printer is more perfect I'll save a lot of time. Stuff that needs to fit doesn't always require post-processing, but occasionally it does. Eventually when my printer is more accurate this will be less of an issue...

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Someone always has a turd to polish. Keep that in mind. Not all customers are profitable

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if your only doing the occasional print you need to shift your thinking to how much am i making of each print. If its something your doing in your spare time your gonna break even easily.

if your doing it to make a living your going to need at least 5 well calibrated, reliable machines. with that you can turn around a 200 hour built time order in a week easy

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How many people on here actually do 3d printing professionally?

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just to supplement my hobby on fixed income

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n2ri wrote:

just to supplement my hobby on fixed income

Same. Graduate student stipend sucks. I could see myself starting a 3d printing rapid prototyping business in the triangle though once I've spent a couple years really honing in my skills and using 3d printing successfully for a variety of projects.

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This is very interesting. I run a very small print farm at my house as a side business. I never really thought of offering services in the education field as "proctor_richard" has been doing, but I think I may just dig into that a little and do some research. What I've been doing so far with my printers is selling 3D printed parts on eBay smile, primarily for RepRap machines such as the Prusa i2 and Prusa i3. I currently have 4 printers (one SD4, one Robo3D, and 2 RepRap machines) and 2 more on the way before Christmas. The demand for these parts is definitely there, and sometimes, although I have 4 printers running 24/7, I cannot keep up with the demand. However, although the profit on these are ok, they take a lot out of you and the printers. A complete set sometimes take 20+ hours to build, and I only get about $15 - $20 of profit in return after all the fees, shipping, etc, on each one sold. I think I'm going to research what proctor_richard mentioned and look into that some more and maybe see if my local school would be interested, because to me, it makes much more sense to do that.

Romel

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where are you based romels33? are you in the uk?

another great benefit of doing bulk orders is you can just fill a box up with foam beads and ship 40+ order in one go :-) or just cart them down in your car for nothing

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hey there proctor_richard, I'm based in the US. If you don't mind me asking, how did you land that gig? smile Did you just ask your local school to start, and then worked from that, or you knew someone? I'm thinking of following your advice and go with that route.

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proctor, what model printers are you using for your school projects? are they all different or same models? looks like 3dhubs is gearing up for this type stuff through universities and I may include local grade and tech schools in this endevour so may need to invest in a small printer farm to keep things rolling in timely manner besides having more local hubs help to spread out the influx of sudden/speratic orders for class projects. need spare printers for when one breaks etc. better to plan ahead than run around like headless chickens after it happens specialy with delivery schedules like SD etc. lol

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