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Topic: Wall thickness calibration

I've been trying to solve one of my biggest issues with Solidoodle 2. Prints are always too thick and never fit together as they should.

So I've tried this:
http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/slic3r/

The image attachment basically shows my problem. Print on the left has too much holes in it and the print on the right is what I would call barely acceptable. Extrusion multiplier for the left print was 0.6 and for the right 0.73. I normally have it set to about 0.79 which works pretty well (except of course I get too thick walls).

The catch: Both of these prints are almost the exact same thickness - and both are too thick: left is about 0.58mm and the right is about 0.62mm. So I am guessing there is some other setting that is messing with my results.

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Re: Wall thickness calibration

What's the thickness of free air extrusion?

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What Do you mean by that?

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Never mind. I figured it out.

It's ranging from 0.55mm to 0.63mm depending on where I measure.

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There's your problem. That ain't a 0.4mm nozzle, at least not anymore.

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That could be possible. I had a few problems with filament getting stuck in the hot end and it took quite a bit of force to unclog the damn thing.

So I guess I need to replace the nozzle. Which could be a problem since I can't separate it from the barrel. And I am of course the lucky owner of one of the original SD2 printers that have that crumbly cement thing heat core which can't be separated from the actual barrel. Which basically means that I have to replace the whole hot-end.

Any other ways of solving this problem?

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Change slic3r to use a 0.6mm nozzle?

If you want a 0.4mm nozzle, you can swap them with a torch and patience. Other option is an E3D (see signature)

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Re: Wall thickness calibration

Thanks for the tip. After some measuring and testing I set slic3r to use 0.63mm nozzle. And then I set the wall size to 0.65mm (slic3r was using 1.4mm if I set it to auto).

After 21 prints (this calibration thing: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:52946 ) I finally got the perfect result. Those two calibration plugs fit together nicely (with a bit of force of course) and the wall thickness is 0.65mm as I wanted.

E3D looks like a good choice but I will wait a bit before I switch. I need to replace the power supply and the stock extruder before that. I am sick of the stock extruder constantly stripping filament and I can't stop it no matter what I do (it prints more or less fine, but a lot of filament dust gets stuck between the two rollers).

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I think your on the right track...I would suggest that there is nothing wrong with your stripping extruder.  Rather your extruder strips because of your hot end.  That being said the E3D and the Bulldog XL make for a great combination.
So before you replace a perfectly good extruder motor you might just try it when you upgrade to the E3D.

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I wasn't talking about the extruder motor. I was talking about the actual assembly - dust getting stuck everywhere. Fiddling with the thumbscrew a bit changes the amount of dust and the print quality a lot. I am not exactly sure how to fine tune this.

But you are probably right that the problem is in the hot end. Because it clogged two times before and it took hours of work to unclog it. And I am still not sure that it's completely clean.

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roli wrote:

not sure that it's completely clean.

Probably isn't. Your options are a new nozzle + blowtorch to swap them, new SD hot end (bad idea), or alternative hot end...

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Hint....Hint.... E3D will most likely solve your problems.  If not the bulldog XL most certainly will and it's just fun to mod your printer smile

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Well A new nozzle + shipping would cost me 54$ (+ 22% customs which more or less leads to 54€). An E3D + shipping (no customs tax since I would be ordering it from inside EU) would cost me 72€. Which is more or less the same. And I would get much more with E3D. Of course there is still the problem of the power supply which apparently needs to be replaced too which would drive the cost up.

So I am planing on buying E3D in the near future. But until then I need my current machine working as best as it can.

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Power supply shouldn't have to be replaced with E3D. If you're worried you can unplug the LED strip, that will roughly make up the difference.

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elmoret wrote:

Power supply shouldn't have to be replaced with E3D. If you're worried you can unplug the LED strip, that will roughly make up the difference.

Where is everyone getting the idea that the power supply needs to be replaced with the E3D???

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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http://www.soliwiki.com/E3D_extruder

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Can we change that or does Hunter need to do it?

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You can.

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Yes. That's where I got the idea. I believed what it said in that wiki. Especially since my LED strip is flickering slightly which could be seen as proof that the power supply is a bit on the underpowered side.

Well, I'll probably be adding an E3D to my shopping list for next month.

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roli wrote:

Yes. That's where I got the idea. I believed what it said in that wiki. Especially since my LED strip is flickering slightly which could be seen as proof that the power supply is a bit on the underpowered side.

Well, I'll probably be adding an E3D to my shopping list for next month.

At this point if you have flickering lights then you definitely have a supply Issue.  Do you have the newer printer board with the barrel style 12V connector?

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SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
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No. The old one with screw terminals.

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How do the connections on the PSU seem?  Mine had bad solder joints on one end.  It was easy to fix but part of the problem was the hole through the case for the wires was not aligned properly and put a lot of force on the solder joint.  Once there was a good load it would heat up enough for the connections to pull loose.  I would almost guarantee that's what's going on with your flickering lights.  The Jury is still out as far as needing to upgrade the PSU for the E3D.  My advice would be buy on and try it with your (hopefully now working) PSU.  Do me this favor unplug the PSU from the wall and crack that thing open.  When did you say you got your printer?

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Interesting. I'll have a look tomorrow.

And I got it in the first few days of January 2013.

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Well I looked inside the PSU. And although the soldering is quite shoddy it doesn't look like there are any bad solder joints or joints that are strained. But... the whole board is bent quite a bit. That could have something to do with it although there isn't much that I can do about that.

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Maybe you should try and run your printer with the PSU open.  See if when you wiggle any connections the lights flicker.  On mine the connections were poor enough that with the printer running the solder would warm up enough that the additional strain would actually pull them out of the board.  Of coarse there is always the option of upgrading the PSU.  I am just not a believer of the theory that the lights should flicker.  I know several users think that this is normal but it is not.  If those little LED's are having that kind of problem just think what the larger loads are dealing with.  Regardless of what you decide to do I think you should address this issue.  You'll find that your printer is just much happier when it can get the power that it needs.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions