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Does "High Current Protection" mean that it is fused?
Ralph
Typically no, it means it has solid state over current protection.
Amazon tells me I bought that controller already. If it's the one I'm thinking of, should be fine.
I put this PWM controller in:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003L4 … &psc=1
The motor is a lot quieter at 80% or so of full speed. Unfortunately, the motor starts "ringing" with a high pitched whine at lower speeds. So you get the harsh gear noise or an annoying whine. 
I haven't timed it yet but running at the higher speed does not appear to negatively affect extrusion speed.
Next step is to obtain a fuse block and hope that the metal flakes finally stop coming out of this thing. (It's been on a shelf for a few months waiting for me to get back to it pending the winder and new motor arrival)
Now to figure out how to get this whole system to work together with the winder!
I have all the parts. Elmoret, given the motor's power, before I flip it on I'm wondering if I should bolt everything to a 1x6 board rather than run it in the pre-built case. Though I suppose I can turn it on "a little" first.
I put this PWM controller in:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003L4 … &psc=1The motor is a lot quieter at 80% or so of full speed. Unfortunately, the motor starts "ringing" with a high pitched whine at lower speeds. So you get the harsh gear noise or an annoying whine.
Next step is to obtain a fuse block and hope that the metal flakes finally stop coming out of this thing. (It's been on a shelf for a few months waiting for me to get back to it pending the winder and new motor arrival)
Now to figure out how to get this whole system to work together with the winder!
That PWM controller is garbage. Definitely makes an audible whine.
Flakes should stop after first 8 hours or so. If not, melt filter is a good option. You ground down the entrances of the barrel, right?
That PWM controller is garbage. Definitely makes an audible whine.
Flakes should stop after first 8 hours or so. If not, melt filter is a good option. You ground down the entrances of the barrel, right?
Any recommendations for a better PWM controller? I picked this one due to being inexpensive and in a housing.
As for the metal:
This was an FA kit originally and I ran the first KG through at too low of a temperature. You suggested I up the temperature and continue. A very short amount of time into trying the higher temperature, I got a plug of plastic stuck in the barrel so I tossed it on the shelf until I got the new motor and melt filter nozzle.
I assembled with the new motor this weekend and when I started it up again, I still got some full nozzle diameter chunks out of the system early on. I got about 1/2kg through the system and the metal flakes may becoming much rarer but I'm waiting to put the melt filter on until I can be reasonably sure it's not just going to clog up with metal flakes very quickly.
I have all the parts. Elmoret, given the motor's power, before I flip it on I'm wondering if I should bolt everything to a 1x6 board rather than run it in the pre-built case. Though I suppose I can turn it on "a little" first.
Should be ok in the case. Just start at low power and watch for signs of stress. It has been tested in the white HDF enclosure, not the wooden one.
elmoret wrote:That PWM controller is garbage. Definitely makes an audible whine.
Flakes should stop after first 8 hours or so. If not, melt filter is a good option. You ground down the entrances of the barrel, right?
Any recommendations for a better PWM controller? I picked this one due to being inexpensive and in a housing.
As for the metal:
This was an FA kit originally and I ran the first KG through at too low of a temperature. You suggested I up the temperature and continue. A very short amount of time into trying the higher temperature, I got a plug of plastic stuck in the barrel so I tossed it on the shelf until I got the new motor and melt filter nozzle.
I assembled with the new motor this weekend and when I started it up again, I still got some full nozzle diameter chunks out of the system early on. I got about 1/2kg through the system and the metal flakes may becoming much rarer but I'm waiting to put the melt filter on until I can be reasonably sure it's not just going to clog up with metal flakes very quickly.
I've only used that one and the other one linked in the thread. The other one has no audible whine, but no case. It's a PWM frequency thing.
Odd that such large flakes are still coming out. I'd love to hear OS Printing's thoughts.
Btw - 1lb was included, not 1kg. Did you mean 1lb or 1kg?
Btw - 1lb was included, not 1kg. Did you mean 1lb or 1kg?
I bought a lot more plastic. However, It was months ago when I did my first testing and I went through the first bag and now I'm some unknown amount through a second bag. It's safe to say I've been through a KG+ but probably not 2KG.
EDIT: I almost ordered a way oversized unit. I've now placed an order for the RioRand 10A model.
Nice! Btw - sorry for the brevity of previous posts, I was on my phone - in Korea currently.
Ralphxyz wrote:Does "High Current Protection" mean that it is fused?
Ralph
Typically no, it means it has solid state over current protection.
Amazon tells me I bought that controller already. If it's the one I'm thinking of, should be fine.
Well the ReoRand does have a fuse!! 10 amp in a socket not soldered in place!!
Ralph
Okay. I got the new motor and made some modifications to the setup. The board and its supports are held with gorilla glue and 3 inch stainless big grip screws so I think they will handle the torque just fine.
For power concerns, I used a PC power supply and I am using the 12V leg with 14amps straight to the motor (switched of course)
The motor does wine though. I have used it without the shaft and the wine is still there. So I'm not sure what can be done with that. (Gets annoying)
I have posted a video of it in operation. I still have yet to put on the hopper and run a batch to see the inches per minute but I will do that next.
Here is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNmMLZ4 … e=youtu.be
Just received the Beta Motor. Looks tough and more brawn compared to the original one. I have a 12V 20A Meanwell Power supply. Can I used it to power the beta Motor? I planned to power the heater circuit with the same power supply, so it becomes drop in replacement to existing power supply. Possible?
Sure, that power supply would be fine. You'll want a ~2A fuse or circuit breaker, that motor will happily destroy just about anything with its stall torque.
So ive had two beta motors running for three days now... Here are my impressions. One of the motors is much louder than the previous, the other is only slightly louder. Motors do get a bit quieter after 12-24hrs of use. Extrusion speeds are a bit better, i have had zero stall issues, Only issue is i seem to get alot more issue with feed clogs, but it may be time for new hoppers.
Warning - The following should NOT be attempted unless you want to potentially destroy your machine, your limbs, your home etc... - End Warning
I have been running one of the motors at a higher voltage (19v) for 36 hours straight now. (Pla at 157C 3mm nozzle) Zero issues with heat, no damage to the machine, everything seems to be fine just even faster than before. I'll be firing up the ABS system at 19v later this evening after i figure out why i am having such major feed issues with it and will report back on how it handles in a couple days. Now to pelletize more pla for coloring (Ian mine is very dangerous can be aimed like a gun and could double as home defense)
Ok Tim you can yell at me for running that much juice through the new motor and giving ideas to people about creating plastic pelletiing machine guns now lol
Which reminds me over 200hrs extrusion time on the reg motor at 19v and they are still going strong (i re purposed them for other projects heh)
is the Beta motor price discount still running? I'd love to give it a try!
Hi Tim, do you have a measure of how loud the beta motor is? The gearmotor I have is heinously loud and I'm about ready toss it.
Also, the FAQ says the Filastruder registers 45dBA @ 3ft -- is that for the non-beta motor, or older pre-kickstarter motor?
The beta motor is definitely louder than the standard motor.
Extrusion is not mean to be done indoors, therefore the noise should not be a problem?
45dba is for the current motor, though other have measured it at closer to 50 dba.
That's the thing -- my current motor is putting out 60+ dba @3ft, and it's annoying the neighbors in the backyard (I live in a city, the houses are pretty close together). I'd like to run the motor overnight, or at least continuously so I have a single strand of filament rather than whatever I can extrude in a few hours. I've tried wrapping the motor in cardboard, but that just makes it overheat and still doesn't cut out much of the noise. I think I'll order the current motor (non-beta) and see if that's any quieter.
That's the thing -- my current motor is putting out 60+ dba @3ft, and it's annoying the neighbors in the backyard (I live in a city, the houses are pretty close together). I'd like to run the motor overnight, or at least continuously so I have a single strand of filament rather than whatever I can extrude in a few hours. I've tried wrapping the motor in cardboard, but that just makes it overheat and still doesn't cut out much of the noise. I think I'll order the current motor (non-beta) and see if that's any quieter.
For the most part mass is the best noise isolator. Maybe you can make a bigger box around it. Cement, bricks, dirt, that kind of thing. Give enough space around the filastruder to prevent overheating.
If you're worried about noise, you can lower the voltage to the motor.
How long will the discount be available?
I was thinking about separating the heat and motor circuits to achieve an even more continuous output and then fuse the motor separately as well.
That controller Leonmf linked looks like the simplest solution.
Elmoret I assume your're surveying how people integrate/fuse the new motor. Any insights you can already share?
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