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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

pirvan wrote:

The 8mm rods I pointed to, are actually shipped from New Hamphire.  The vendor specializes in 3D printer specific items (bearings, rods, belts, gears, etc).

FWIW, I got from same source, rods were fine. Also cut to length and beveled at no extra cost (I just asked via email before ordering).

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spapadim wrote:
pirvan wrote:

The 8mm rods I pointed to, are actually shipped from New Hamphire.  The vendor specializes in 3D printer specific items (bearings, rods, belts, gears, etc).

FWIW, I got from same source, rods were fine. Also cut to length and beveled at no extra cost (I just asked via email before ordering).

Crap, should have asked; he already shipped mine (ordered last night.)

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

spapadim wrote:
pirvan wrote:

The 8mm rods I pointed to, are actually shipped from New Hamphire.  The vendor specializes in 3D printer specific items (bearings, rods, belts, gears, etc).

FWIW, I got from same source, rods were fine. Also cut to length and beveled at no extra cost (I just asked via email before ordering).

That's good to know for future reference, although cutting these with a dremel is a matter of seconds.

Even with a hacksaw is not that tough.  The rods are not hardened all they way through, only the surface.

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pirvan wrote:

That's good to know for future reference, although cutting these with a dremel is a matter of seconds.

Also good to know. Which cutoff disc do you use?

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spapadim wrote:

Also good to know. Which cutoff disc do you use?

The thin 1/32" x 1" wheels make really quick job of it, but as you know they're quite fragile and shatter a lot, so lately I've been using the heavy duty 1 1/4" fiberglass wheel.  Doesn't quite have the same byte as the thin ones, but still gets the job done, and doesn't wear out.  At least not as fast as the thin ones.

For the rods I usually just go straight through half way, then the same from the other side.  Then I use one of the grinding wheels to remove the burrs, smooth and chamfer the edge. 

Since the rods don't have to mate to anything on the ends, it's not critical the face be perfect, or perfectly square.

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Just got my rods in today from that eBay seller in NH, and the LM8UU slide on them quite nice, no force at all to get them on.  Now to get everything measured up and cut.

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Update:

Got the rods, and I was about to install them, but looking at those hose clamps, really made me think how cheap that looks, so it was time for something a bit less "ghetto", so I opted to use "E" retaining clips instead.  I used the Dremel tool to cut a groove into the rod, about 1mm deep all around.  It's not perfect, but works quite well.

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=4354
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looks nice.

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Wow, that does look really nice; haven't cut mine up yet, but that gives me something to try.

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Nice finish. I also wanted to thank you for a good source of rods. That seller also has some other printer items worth looking at.

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where you find those E clips?

i asked the guy to cut mine to length he said only offers cutting on lots of 20 - 30 rods! 

just to be sure Y rods are 14 and X are 13? 

Pirvan what length did you cut yours to leave room for the clips?

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You could put the e-clips inside the frame if you don't have enough length for an outside groove.

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@Ronsii
You could put the e-clips inside the frame if you don't have enough length for an outside groove.

That sounds good too, and you could get a nice super clean look, the only problem would be installing the "E" clip, it would be a pain to getting in there, almost blind.

@MolecularConcept
just to be sure Y rods are 14 and X are 13?
Pirvan what length did you cut yours to leave room for the clips?

The front to back ("Y") rods are, at least on my SD3, 14" long.  At that length they stick out through the frame by about 1/16" on each side.  The side to side ("X" carriage) rods are 13" long.  But you should measure your printer to make sure.

If you want to do a "E" clip setup like mine, then cut the rod 1/8" longer (14-1/8"), then cut the groove about 1/16"- 3/32" (D1) in from the end.  The groove width (G1) is about the 1/16", and the groove depth is about 1/16".

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=4364

It's not critical that you get the dimensions perfect, as long as you err on the "+" side.  If you find that the rod has a bit for front to back play after you put the clips on, you can easily take up the space with a rubber grommet.  In my case I happened to have some O rings, and I used one between the "clip and the case.  It's compressible and fits like a glove.  It also seems to reduce vibration noise to an extent

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=4365

Good luck on getting your done.  Now if Solidoodle would start doing it like this, I think it would make the product look a bit more polished.  I also think it would be cheaper, and easier to install.  "E" clips in small quanitites (<25) cost about 20 cents.  I'm sure those hose clamps cost more than that.

BTW, I bought the "E" clips at Lowes hardware.  They only had SAE, no metric, but it doesn't really make much difference.  I bought the 5/16" clips, which is very close to 8mm.  Any decent hardware store should have these.

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39 (edited by pirvan 2014-01-20 01:12:38)

Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

So here is the final result.  You can pretty much see all the mods in the pictures below:

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=4383

Lawsy's carriage ends with linear bearings, new extruder (my own design) with linear bearings, pillow bearings on the 6mm back rod (and a new set freshly re-printed on the print bed), heater cartridge replacing the original resistor, nano-links cable guide, 12x04 ball screw for "Z" axis, and a solid copper print bed with QU-BD heater pad on a Solidoodle aluminum platform.

Not in the picture, a 750W Dell server power supply, higher capacity bed and extruder MOSFETS and stepper drivers heatsinks.

I am however having a problem with the extruder housing getting hot enough to warp in the front.  I posted a topic on this in the help/repair section, but for now it's still holding, I'll have to see how it does after a few hour print.  So far the longest print I tried has been a little over 2 hours.

Edit:
Check out the warped area of the extruder.  The hot end is not loose or wobbly or anything, it feels quite solid, but I'm still worried about it.

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Pirvan, try using a 30 or 40mm fan on the side of your hot end. It's amazing how much that helped with my printing and my own designed extruder. I made my fan mount a part of my design (30x30x10), and given your excellent design and CAD skills, this would be the approach I would take. Nice mods. Great print quality.

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And cut away some of the material around where it is melting. You don't need that much support of the hot end, IMO.

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So I am finally getting stuff printed and think I finally have everything I need to swap out the rods and replace with the Lawsy carriage with the linear bearings and the Bulldog XL extruder.  Only thing left is to cut the rods down smile 

I noticed with my carriages a very slight space between the bearings ( ~.4mm wide if i had to guess by inserting a single layer print so not snug)... hoping to use a small shim for now and glue it in with acetone as rest of prints seem pretty good.  Looking forward to doing this swap out.

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mloebl wrote:

So I am finally getting stuff printed and think I finally have everything I need to swap out the rods and replace with the Lawsy carriage with the linear bearings and the Bulldog XL extruder.  Only thing left is to cut the rods down smile 

I noticed with my carriages a very slight space between the bearings ( ~.4mm wide if i had to guess by inserting a single layer print so not snug)... hoping to use a small shim for now and glue it in with acetone as rest of prints seem pretty good.  Looking forward to doing this swap out.

Before you tear everything apart you should consider printing this stuff up.
I've been using this for some time now and am very happy with the results.
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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

Depending on your print settings, the final result with Lawsy's carriage ends may result in a somewhat loose fit.  rather print them again, what I did was to cut a couple of pieces of a business card about the same length as the bearings, and I wedged them under the bearing. 

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&amp;item=4554

That was enough to take up any of the play, and they've been solid ever since.  No play, no loose bearings on the shaft, just smooth movement.

I did not use Lawsy's extruder carriage, only the ends, so I don't know how that part is.

One thing I can tell you is that with these ends you will probably need either longer belts, or longer screws.  At least I did.  The spacing between the bolts (where you attach your belts) is shorter than the spacing on the original Solidoodle ends.  I had to use a longer screw for the adjustment end.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

Thanks guys, that's good to know that it could be slightly loose smile  Business card sounds easier, I think I will go that route.  I did order a bunch of M3 screws in varying sizing from Amazon, from 6mm - 20mm.  If not long enough, guess I'll make the trip to the local store.

I did also print bulldog_wardjr_E3D_rev7support.stl and fbcar (so also only printed the ends), it's quite nice and I like how the carriage snaps on/off; great for maintenance. 

I notice in the pic you replaced the pulley gear; is that required or should I be able to reuse the stock ones?  Part of this upgrade process also entails swapping in the Rumba controller which I notice also came with a set of pulley gears in the "kit" they sent.

One of the reasons I sped up this endeavor was I noticed the left carriage is drooping a bit where the motor mounts (I suspect due to the stepper motor running so hot.)  So also going to take this opportunity to get a heatsink on as well.

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46 (edited by wardjr 2014-02-06 03:11:19)

Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

If I understand what your asking I never replaced they pulley gear but I did flip it over.  Are you referring to the picture above?  That isn't mine but looks like it is flipped over as well.

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Correct.  It's flipped over so you can line it up with the center of the rods.

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Re: Solidoodle stock rods not useable with linear bearings

Got it... thanks!

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Anybody using  this :http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:162565/#comments

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I think you should try it and report back smile

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