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Topic: My printer is rusty

The printer has been in my office for many month waiting for the filament to arrive. Today is the very first day the printer has been connected and powered up. When I looked inside the cage, I notice that some of the metal is corroded and rusted. Is this expected and should a new printer  look like this? Please see the pictures.

As said, the printer has been located in an IT company where we have lots of PC’s and other hardware that have to be treated with care. The printer has been treated the same way as all our IT-equipment.

What to do now?


Best regards Stein

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2 (edited by frozensoda 2013-09-03 06:25:43)

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It looks like that printer has been under water to me. At the very least I think it has gotten wet. Was your box water damaged when you got it?

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Thats the strange thing - no water. The box it was delivered in was just like any other box used for shipment. It was fine and not any indication of water. The room it has been in this time is dry with other IT equipment, so no water could sneeked in here either. I have shipped the printer from one country to another carrying it on a flight - fragile handling, and there was no indication on my box that anything have happened. So its all a mystery to me.

But I have not looked inside the cage until now, so I have no clue when this could have happen.

I wonder what to do?

Regards Stein

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Is it rust.. or is it the factory grease that has gone off due to contamination of some description?

Given where it is, and how the layers appear, and the otherwise apparent complete lack of lubricant to be seen otherwise leads me to believe its not rust at all, but dried/contaminated grease (which will take on that rust/'clay' look when it dries out). It would be extremely unusual for lubricant covered surfaces to 'rust'.

If it cakes off, it is most certainly dried grease.

As for how it happened - I won't hazard a guess - it can occur for many many reasons, environmental, extreme high or low temps, through to contaminants (such as different types of lubricants being mixed, or external contaminants).

To fix it - I feel that all is required is cleaning off the dried grease/lubricant and refreshing it once thoroughly cleaned with a lithium multi-purpose grease..

But I really dont think its 'rust' - but rather just the usual dead lubricant that definitely takes on a 'rust like' appearance...

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That sounded like a good explanation Adrian, but when I look at it closer, it is not dried up factory grease or dead lubricant. I cannot understand other than that its pure old type of rust. I will check it out one more time tomorrow, just to be sure that my head is not playing with me today.

The strange thing is that the other iron bars in the system are all greased up nicely. It makes me wonder if the assembly line at production have greased up all the rods except for these tree. However, this will just be speculations.

I have finally managed to make the printer run, and it makes some serious squeaky noises from time to time. Not my favorite type of sounds when you expect a system like this to run smoothly, only to hear the summing from the engines and the smell from meted plastic.

Talking of plastic or filament. I am using the type that was provided from Solidoodle. First, I tried blue. Then I changed to red and now I have removed the filament totally. I can see left over filament in the feeding tube with both blue and red color. I am not able to push the left overs out with a new straw of filament. How to clean the printing head if it is not possible to push out the filament inside the print head?

Then to my last point here – I am asking you folks how to do this and how to do that. I fund a button called “Dry run”. I then looked for a help menu in the program, but the help just took me to a web site with advertising for the software.  Can anyone point me to a good help system for the software so I can help myself?

Best regards, Stein

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Stein wrote:

Talking of plastic or filament. I am using the type that was provided from Solidoodle. First, I tried blue. Then I changed to red and now I have removed the filament totally. I can see left over filament in the feeding tube with both blue and red color. I am not able to push the left overs out with a new straw of filament. How to clean the printing head if it is not possible to push out the filament inside the print head?

Have you actually printed anything?

you have to let the extruder to heat up heat barrel for about 195c for 10 minutes. hardened abs in heat barrel will prevent you from pushing anything out(out of nozzle).

And about cleaning printing head... what are you trying to clean? different color? or abs? I leave my filament in the extruder.. if you want to change color.. just heat up, change filament, and extrude until you see the new color.
dryrun is to test xyz motion. it will not print anything.

as for software... some of the setting is very technical.. if you don't know... then you don't know. you are better off with default settings. 
if you hover your mouse on editable field... a tip box will appear and show you what it is for.

Solidoodle2 with Ceramic tile heated bed http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2544/my- … eated-bed/
"1kg should last for an while" is a lie!

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and where is the grease? i have big blob of grease on my rod... where is yours?

Solidoodle2 with Ceramic tile heated bed http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2544/my- … eated-bed/
"1kg should last for an while" is a lie!

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Your right RavensCrest, that was a good and simple piece of information. Waiting for 10 minutes after reaching 190 degrees before pushing the hardened abs out was the trick. I assume that “abs” means the plastic material we use to print? My primary language is not English, so abbreviations can make one confused from time to time.

Sorry that my explanation was not fulfilled. Yes, I printed something using the blue color first, and then printed something else using the red color. For some reason strains of both blue and red was left in the heat barrel (hope that is the same as what I called the printing head). Anyhow, that is sorted and a new 6 hours print job is in progress.

I do not think technical stuff is a problem – I am the owner of a software company, but I like to look at technical manuals to see how things are working. Is there are any help for this software?

There are 4 metal rods that is nicely greased where you can see the grease easily. Then there are the two rods in the back of the cage plus the long screw that moves the bed up and down. These items do not have any grease at all.
I will see if I can get hold of some grease tomorrow and manually grease up these parts. Hopefully it will help, but just surprised that the printer came like this.

Thanks for very good feedback RavensCrest

Regards Stein

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If you live near salt water like I do, anything with clean metal would quickly develop that much rust in 6 months time.

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Thanks for your comment Downeasta, nut nope, there is no salt water around this place. I have an office full of IT hardware, so the air has to be dry. And as I said - 3 out of 7 rods are rusted. The other four is greased up nicely.

Today I had to remove the cover from the cage and noticed that there should have been 2 screws in the back, but only one was assembled. This is now obviously to me that the assembly line has failed on this printer.  Im truly unhappy today.

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If you have not done so, contact Solidoodle support and see if they will ship you new rods.

It looks like those rods were exposed to something.  Possibly bad grease?  It is odd that you have one hex screw that holds the z stage adjustment rusted on one is not.

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+1 on contacting solidoodle.

I am curious about the rods under the bed... are they also rusty down to the bottom of the cage?

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My rods are lightly rusted at the extremes, but woah, nothing like yours. Much less bad.

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To ronsii; The two outer rods in the back of the cage is only rusted part of the way. It seems that its rusted where the bed have covered the rods. Almost the Whole screew is rusted and its making a load noise every time the bed is moved up or down.

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Stein wrote:

To ronsii; The two outer rods in the back of the cage is only rusted part of the way. It seems that its rusted where the bed have covered the rods. Almost the Whole screew is rusted and its making a load noise every time the bed is moved up or down.

We can't speculate, seeing as how you've had the printer for a while. However, many of the parts on the Solidoodle are not stainless steel, and will rust in time. Generally this is not an issue.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Thank you for your reply. One additional question. Should the two vertical rods in the back of the cage and the long vertical screw normally be greased like the 4 horizontal rods?

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The screw should be greased (and is, thoroughly in the shop) - the back two should be greased as well, but are typically greased a somewhat more lightly.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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I understand. As shown on the pictures, there are no grease on these three items. What do you suggest I should do?

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Stein wrote:

I understand. As shown on the pictures, there are no grease on these three items. What do you suggest I should do?

Grease them. Use lithium all purpose grease. Try to avoid petrol based greases - they will degrade printed parts if they contact them.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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wow that is nuts I have a tiny bit of rust forming but wow...

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I'm willing to believe the rust wouldn't affect the operation on the back rails, since they have ball bearings and not just bronze shims.  These machines are remarkable in not being *too* precisely build, but still managing great performance.

That said, those bars would not have been that rusted if they had been lightly greased from the shop.

EDIT: On reexamination, I have no idea if the Z supports use linear ball bearings or not. Can't quite tell especially while my machine is printing.

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All the stock bearings are bronze(oilite) bushings, no ball/linear bearings.

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This is not going my way. I have this strange feeling that I am a beta-tester in a student project where I just have to accept that the product is not ready for the market, but still I have to pay for it. It is like a bad dream that I cannot wake up from.

I paid for a cool printer that was not ready to be shipped and was delayed repeatedly. When I finally got the printer, the filament never arrived and I had to take part in en intensive email conversation with support trying to tell them that I had not received any filament and that it could not be my fault that it had not arrived. The shipment was not tracked online, so no one knows where the filament has been shipped. Finally, after many unnecessary conversations, I got my filament. At that time, it had been more than a year since I had paid for the printer and filament. Only to find that parts of the printer was rusty when it was unpacked. This cannot be right considering that it has been stored with other PC equipment in a software company – in my office.

First, look at the two attached pictures. I have removed the two rusty vertical rods and the long rusty screw. It is clear that the company at the assembly time has greased none of these items. The four horizontal rods have a layer of grease and looks good. The two pictures shows this very clearly. I offered to send these items back to the company for them to examine, but support was not interested in that. The only feedback I get is to grease them up and use the rods as they are, or purchase a new set from their web shop.

I have 3 different companies, and if I had been treating my customers like this, I would not been up and running today. It is not about the money and how much each part cost – it is about how you treat your customers.

[John at Solidoodle support]
"We fabricate the rods ourselves, daily, and thus there is literally no way for them to ship rusted - they are minted fresh for the printer on each printer."

Check the pictures and judge yourself. I have not printed one single item yet on this brilliant printer……

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