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Topic: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

I've had the heat core off and on a number of times over the past few days as I was trying out a new barrel/nozzle and clearing clogs.

In the process of doing so the fire cement around the resistor in the heat core flaked off little by little to the point where the resistor was rotating in the core while handling it.

After putting things back together I turned the printer on a set the extruder temp @ 50C.  After a minute or two I raised it to 75C and shortly after I saw a puff of smoke from the back of the printer (ie. the board), followed by a bad smell.

Repeatier Host reported a COM error.

I shut everything off and took off the hot end.  While inspecting the heat core one of the resistor lead wires broke in front of me.  Could this really cause damage to the board?

Now when I turn everything on, the computer can't connect to the printer.

The board is getting power and I hear the usual sounds when  the USB connection is live (some initialization sound on the extruder, not the exhaust fan).  I checked the stepper chips' voltage and those are reading normal.

What else should I check?

Thanks for the help!

2 (edited by 3d-oodler 2013-08-04 03:41:50)

Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

Visually, it looks like it's the Atmega 644P chip.  Anyway to confirm it, or are the pics sufficient?

There's a small hole on the surface:
Board Fry 1

And corresponding black schmutz on the acrylic
Board Fry 2

How can I know if that's a symptom or root cause?  Or no way to tell without first replacing it?

For $13 delivered I suppose it's worth trying:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Atm … Qgod-XIAjQ

If I can figure out how to remove it without damaging the board.

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3 (edited by adrian 2013-08-04 04:59:50)

Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

You've shorted your board somewhere or somehow - that is the AVCC and Ground return area of the IC Die, and is about the location of its protection diodes. You've dumped many many amps onto the AVCC pin one way or another (For the purists - yes conventional current flow is actually GND to VCC, but lets net get bogged down in semantics wink ), and its blown clear through the encapsulation (they survive for a good while, but the power dissipation of a short condition will rapidly overwhelm it, hence the 'it worked but then failed' scenario). In IC terms - this is kinda rare and a bit of an effort to achieve in normal operating conditions - so I can't hazard a guess as to how its occurred - it could be as simple as shorting the pins underneath against the case through to other possibilities.. but unfortunately - its not a 'defect' thats caused this.. neutral

As for solving your situation - You are better off ordering an ATmega1284.. since its cheaper anyway : http://www.botronicz.com/atmel-atmega-p … ololu.html

Buying from mouser, you will need a ICSP as it comes sans-bootloader. The URL above is for a 1284 (more RAM, Program Mem) and includes a bootloader.

Removal and replacement is simple - its in a DIL socket.. it just plugs and unplugs....

But before just replacing the IC.. I'd be using a DMM to 'buzz test' all the VCC lines on the board, as something has or had a nasty short somewhere ...

And that 'bad smell'.. well.. Its a unique smell that relates to inherent electrical componentary death.. and is a sure sign of things are dead and almost universally includes a component or 3 having 'released their magic smoke' (as everyone in the industry knows, all electronic components don't run on electrons, but rather magic smoke... and once you let that smoke escape from a component, it ceases to work.. Q.E.D.. electronics are made from magic smoke... wink )

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

Since you were around the extruder you might check the thermistor inputs on the 644 pins 33 and 34 chances are 33 got blown so probably just a chip problem, like Adrian said get a 1284 it's better in all respects smile

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

Thanks for the responses.  Chip came out easily.  Best I can tell the buzz test passed.

The board was in it's original mount position (SD3) with the pins held away from the case.

I did have the thermistor positioned a little different in that last run and a bit contorted.  I took another look at it and it seems  one of the lead wires is loose, moving inside of the bead.  It's possible the leads were touching outside of the bead as well the way I had it taped.

This all happened shortly after I ordered an E3D.  So I'll be out of commission until I receive a new ATMEGA1284P as well as hotend.

Anyone know if the E3D lead time is still 4 weeks as it reads on their site?

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

3d-oodler wrote:

Anyone know if the E3D lead time is still 4 weeks as it reads on their site?

It should be less, call it 2 weeks.. consider that 4 weeks 'worst case'... But theres a new batch coming in early this week so depends I guess...

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

3d-oodler wrote:

Thanks for the responses.  Chip came out easily.  Best I can tell the buzz test passed.

The board was in it's original mount position (SD3) with the pins held away from the case.

I did have the thermistor positioned a little different in that last run and a bit contorted.  I took another look at it and it seems  one of the lead wires is loose, moving inside of the bead.  It's possible the leads were touching outside of the bead as well the way I had it taped.

This all happened shortly after I ordered an E3D.  So I'll be out of commission until I receive a new ATMEGA1284P as well as hotend.

Anyone know if the E3D lead time is still 4 weeks as it reads on their site?

I have 2 ATMega1284P with marlin preloaded. I will sell you one for the cost of shipping and a beer :-) ~$8

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

2n2r5 wrote:

I have 2 ATMega1284P with marlin preloaded. I will sell you one for the cost of shipping and a beer :-) ~$8

Thanks for the offer 2n2r5.  I'd take you up on it if I hadn't ordered one from eBay last night (also with marlin preloaded).

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

3d-oodler
We have had most parts arrive early for the hotends, we are packing them now.

We are waiting on the final part - heaters. They are in the hands of FedEx right now - but there are a LOT of defective cartridges on the market right now, so I won't drop the lead time until I have parts in my hands, inspected and tested.

Best case scenario is that we will be shipping on next Monday (12th Aug) - all depends on the heaters coming in and being within spec. I refuse to ship substandard product, it comes back to bite me long term.

I Design/Sell the E3D all-metal hotends. My company is called e3d-online - you can buy at www.e3d-online.com

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

SanjayM wrote:

3d-oodlerI refuse to ship substandard product, it comes back to bite me long term.

[You make us swoon. This is what develops love]

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Re: A puff of smoke, bad smell, and now I can't connect to the printer

SanjayM wrote:

3d-oodler
We have had most parts arrive early for the hotends, we are packing them now.

We are waiting on the final part - heaters. They are in the hands of FedEx right now - but there are a LOT of defective cartridges on the market right now, so I won't drop the lead time until I have parts in my hands, inspected and tested.

Best case scenario is that we will be shipping on next Monday (12th Aug) - all depends on the heaters coming in and being within spec. I refuse to ship substandard product, it comes back to bite me long term.

Thanks for the explanation SanjayM.  Looks like the best case scenario played out as I just saw the shipped notice. :-)

And I have the new ATmega1284 installed, up to date, and responding so I'll be ready  to install the new hotend when it arrives.