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Topic: SD3 to SDXXXL

I build RC car's and current SD3 200x200 bed is holding me back.
Thanks to lawsy new printable x and y carriages got me to point that i ordered 8x600mm new X rods (stock ~345mm)
and one 6x600mm Y rod. So basically i'm commited to build this thing to accommodate 450x200x200 bed area smile

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/badgravity/SD3andSDXXXL_zps0323140c.jpg
( first draft just for comparison )

I have ordered:
2x 8x600 X rods
1x 6x600 Y rods
8x LMUU bearings
2m GT2 belt and pulleys
12m 25x25mm square metal tubing for new case

All i need to figure out is hotbed heater, 2x silicone pad's or some other clever solution and also
will i use current wood bed structure - or build a new one ?
Also i will not dismantle current SD3 before new one has all the tab's and mounts since i wll probaby need to print some
stuff in meanwhile - so not a fast project but i will keep you updated wink

2 (edited by nlancaster 2013-06-25 08:11:37)

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Going that big I would highly recommend moving to a wider spacing on the z-axis rods.  Even better might be 2 sets of rods at eache end with 2 z-axis motors. No matter what you build that bed out of it is going to have alot of flex at each end of the x-axis.

Will keep an eye on this. it will be an impressive build big_smile

3 (edited by gilles-e 2013-06-25 08:33:27)

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Yes two Z axis motors will be better and why not this type from "Igus" with preloaded you have an 8mm X 2 lead-screw.

http://www.igus.com/wpck/default.aspx?P … S&L=en

DryLin HTS-PL

http://www.igus.com/wpck/default.aspx?P … S&L=en

On the web site you have all you need to do a rigid XXL printer, explore it.

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I try to keep the rebuild price down but 2X Z motors sounds better than one, but probably wont be as eazy as splicing some wires together ?

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Printrbot and original Repraps work like that.

Y split cables from the stepper driver to the two steppers, and turn up stepper driver amperage to suit.

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badgravity wrote:

I try to keep the rebuild price down but 2X Z motors sounds better than one, but probably wont be as eazy as splicing some wires together ?

If you get a ramps board, there are 2 z-motor connections on a single stepper driver so I'm sure it's the same as a split.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Excellent news  thankyou ... just need to add one Nema 17 and some soldering smile
any ideas on the hotbed solution - with two silicone heaters i could heat just one of them for smaller prints ?
i'm thinking towards solid state relay and external power source.

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My only thought is - thats a fairly big unsupported span. Personally, I would have considered jumping up to 10mm Smooth Rod.. I think if you go dual-extruder you'd definately see sagging...

Keen to see how it eventuates though - good luck on the build!

badgravity wrote:

Excellent news  thankyou ... just need to add one Nema 17 and some soldering smile
any ideas on the hotbed solution - with two silicone heaters i could heat just one of them for smaller prints ?
i'm thinking towards solid state relay and external power source.

You can do that - or you could run multiple PCB MkIIB's if you wanted to avoid the issue with the big bulge on the silicone beds.
Alternatively, you could make ONE build plate, but etch onto it 2 seperate heater coils... and then power them as required.

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For my "heating bed" i think to use http://www.scientax.com/

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gilles-e wrote:

For my "heating bed" i think to use http://www.scientax.com/

http://bassompierrescientax.pagesperso- … icone1.htm

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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badgravity wrote:

any ideas on the hotbed solution - with two silicone heaters i could heat just one of them for smaller prints ?


I can see having two heaters working out.  You would just have to configure 2 printer default settings so you could swap to using just one half of the bed.

I have an option that I haven't explored yet.  A friend of mine wants me to help him build him a printer... we discussed using heating elements like out of a griddle or hotplate.  Not sure about the feasability yet, as that will probably be the last thing we tackle.

Out of curiosity, where are you sourcing your rods from?

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I can see having two heaters working out. 
Out of curiosity, where are you sourcing your rods from?

2 heater solution does sound good but i will probaby need custom glass bed to avoid warping
so i imagine that big glass does not like to be heated from one end only.

eazy solution would be small glass - small print and big glass both heaters etc,

new rod's from ebay - i think China smile

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good luck if you ordered rods from vbx or vxb which ever they go by. i ordered a new 6mm rod for the bent y axis drive rod in my sd3 and it arrived badly bent, of course thats because they are retarded at shipping. i also ordered 6 8mm rods for my rostock project and they were tapped and bubblewrapped and in perfect condition... so i guess its a toss up. if i had been in their shipping department i would have tapped the 6mm rod to the 8mm rod bundle instead of loose in the box to get banged around. but whatever. lol

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since there is a lot of bed to heat my thought is why not use a water block and pump heated water into it. yes it adds to the machine complexity by adding a pump but my thought is that all you would need to do is heat the reservoir and it should keep the bed at a good constant temp. And an immersion heater should get you up to the 80-85c water temps pretty quick.

anyone know if this would work? or if its a terrible idea?

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15 (edited by badgravity 2013-07-07 17:18:50)

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Theretically even the heater bed can be cooler/hotbed for watercooled pc running next to SD - but somehow it feels overcomplicated and heavy.
But i give You 5 points for thinking outside the box wink

update on the SD XXXL front - still waiting for rods to arrive sad

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unfortunately, water heating would also limit your max temperature. you actually would like to operate hotter than 80C if you can help it, especially with a larger print area.

I personally think that multiple heating pads are the best option.

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Recieved new rod's ... all are bent  about 1.3-2mm ( packaging was ok ) sad

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badgravity wrote:

Recieved new rod's ... all are bent  about 1.3-2mm ( packaging was ok ) sad

China FTL sad

might have to source from mcmaster. more expensive, but at least they have actual precision ground hardened rods instead of just chromed mild steel hardware store rods. and they know how to ship them.

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At one point I was thinking of heating the bed with propane for quick heat ups and custom pcb heater to keep the temp. Of course you'd need borosilicate glass.

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You can order silicone beds in any size you want from china, but you usually have to use a separate thermistor.  My qu-bd gets over a 100 in under 3 minutes. Do you need to heat it up faster then this?

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mcmaster rods ordered ... project is not dead smile

22 (edited by badgravity 2013-08-27 07:43:39)

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mcmaster told me to "sod off" so i'm getting these rod's locally.
but my printer is trying to piss me off ... since yesterday the bed maximum temp reached 69c and thats it ... any ideas ?

So i have to come up with double bed solution sooner than expected.
two qu-bd's maybe and separate power supply for them and solidstate relay ?

ebay has also 200x400mm 220v silicone pads available .... but 600w .... nice and toasty for sure big_smile

23 (edited by Hazer 2013-08-28 11:04:15)

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Hack this: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aroma-Single- … 03/5871070

and control it using this: http://www.amazon.com/AGPtek%C2%AE-Univ … controller

with this: http://www.amazon.com/Crydom-TD2410-Zer … lay+crydom

and the sensor of your choice. You can re-use your thermistor, or get a $5 thermocouple: http://www.amazon.com/Type-Flat-Thermoc … ermocouple

PID learning control puts firmware solution to shame, plus eats up less processor time. 800 Watts and a little wiring. But a more solid solution.

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not a bad idea.

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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beware with the Fotek SSR, there are a lot of counterfeits. If you are dealing with high voltages/amperages it can be dangerous. Proper SSR should costs 3x more, and from what I understood they also need a beefy heatsink unless you're switching a couple of amperes.