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Topic: Slicer seems to miss bits?

Slicer seems to missing bits when it calculates. Is this to do with settings? I have 'randomize start point' switched off.

In the attached pic, the vertical lines are the first layer and you can clearly see a missed area, or an area where the filament isn't as thick. The bottom of this part as it is printed, eventually becomes the top so needs to be smooth and even.

I also get weird marks too, see second pic, where it looks like the kapton tape has been applied with wrinkles, but the kapton sheet is very smooth. The marks almost look like tiger stripes and go in a different direction to the filament.

It would also be nice if I could get it to print large flat areas from one side all the way to the other, without stopping and moving to a different part of the same area.

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2 (edited by ysb 2013-05-21 16:34:52)

Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

imo you are not well calibrated for the flowrate... it's not a problem of slicer

the second picture is a problem of 'not enought plastic'  ... you need to reduce the space between your head and the bed (use the z bed screw for a global move).. or ramp up your flowrate

the first picture is not a problem of missing part, but a probleme of 'too much plastic' (reduce flowrate) or the bed is not enough clean (use acetone) and the plastic did not stick well on certain zone... (where the plastic inflate) or the two...

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

Thanks for the help. That certainly some food for thought.

I've tried levelling the bed and the z-height using the screw with varied results.

I'm using slicer profile that I've modified a lot, so I'll also make a new profile based on the original Solidoodle profiles. One of the many changes was the speed settings, could that have caused the problems I'm getting?

Can you see the lumpy edges too? Could this also be to do with flow rate?

Thanks again,

I'll post updates when I get better results.

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4 (edited by ysb 2013-05-22 18:12:20)

Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

it can be a speed problem but i will not put a bet on that...

for the  lumpy edges, it's a problem of too much plastic extruding...each 'line' of platic is made of 100% of one line and 50% of the next one... when the second pass over the first, the head crushes the two lines and if they are too many abs, it overflowed.. (the lumpy edge)

i'm sure it's a problem of bed calibration AND flowrate...

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

ysb wrote:

it can be a speed problem but i will not put a bet on that...

for the  lumpy edges, it's a problem of too much plastic extruding...each 'line' of platic is made of 100% of one line and 50% of the next one... when the second pass over the first, the head crushes the two lines and as there are too many abs, it overflowed.. (the lumpy edge)

i'm sure it's a problem of bed calibration AND flowrate...

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

Making a new slicer config based on the original solidoodle ones helped I think. However...

I have been adjusting the flow rate on the fly with very interesting results. The numbered areas in the attached images are where I changed the flow rate.

I started with the flow rate at 100 (area 1) then turned it down progressively in each area to eventially settiling aroung 70%. Interestingly, when I was printing the same part with 0.1mm for the first 3mm of layers then 0.3,, layers for the rest *, I had to switch it up to almost 150%. The part is still printing so will let you know if I have to change the flow rate when it gets to the 0.3mm layers.

(*multiple layer height in single part fuction of newest slicer)

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7 (edited by ysb 2013-05-22 18:20:34)

Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

strange.. when I see your pictures, I would say that '1' has a flowrate not enough high  ... but you said that you go from 100% to 70% .... so zone 1 is 100% and zone 6 is 70%...

the good zone are 4/5/6 ... so it's too much abs in zone 1...


i don't understand your results... hmm but your method is good...

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

From memory...

zone 1: 100%
zone 2: 125% (I think, I definitely increased it)
Zone 3: 90% (Started to decrease here)
zone 4: 80%
zone 5: 70%
zone 6: 75%

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

When you say your bed (kapton) is flat is this when it is up to temperature? also have you thought about making some fairly thin mix ABS glue and applying it as the first layer this should yield a smooth surface.

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I think you can get rid of this problem by following the extruder calibration instructions on Ian Johnson's blog.  I had similar problems resolved by doing this and have never calibrated x, y, or z.

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Whats the flow multiplier in the Filament Settings of Slic3r set to for all the tests? 1?

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ronsii wrote:

When you say your bed (kapton) is flat is this when it is up to temperature? also have you thought about making some fairly thin mix ABS glue and applying it as the first layer this should yield a smooth surface.

I've tried levelling my bed a number of times and I'm pretty sure it's warped, especially when it's hot, so I have some glass on the way from here http://www.charlies3dtechnologies.eu/Gl … 55981.aspx

extrusion multiplier is set to 1. Is this the same as flow multiplier, if not, where exactly do I find that? I know flow rate and feed rate are different.

justsomeguy, do you have a link to that blog you speak of please?

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

I'm referring to the Filament Extrusion Multiplier in Slic3r Config, Filament Tab; by default its .79 from memory, is that what yours is?

The front control panel is a control of this - so if its .79, 110% on the front control panel is actually 110% of .79, not 110% of 1 - unless you've set the multiplier to 1.

If you've done filament flow calibration as per http://www.soliwiki.com/Calibration_of_the_flow_rate it'll prob be .79 to .85ish... 1 is way too high.

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yup, extrusion multiplier is 1.

I haven't done any calibration on this as yet. Do I NEED to calibrate it that way, or could I keep adjusting it on the fly with the flowrate slider in the manual controls of repetier? I turned it down for 0.3 layers but up for 0.1 layers

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Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

The control panel is designed purely for experimentation - you are supposed to tune it as per the calibration document to ensure consistent application across program operations etc.

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I have calibrated my extruder. when I told it to extrude 100mm of filament it only extruded 77mm. Giving me a multiplier of 1.33 correct?

Well I've just started a couple of prints in 0.3mm layers, with a solid fill. The parts 2 parts are a mirror image of each other created from 1 part so they should come out exactly the same in terms of print quality... but they aren't.

One of them isn't printing solid (1 density), and both are still getting 'missed' areas and lines.

See attached..

I think my print bed STILL isn't level or is completely warped? The more I try and improve this the more I get confused!

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17 (edited by ysb 2013-05-23 16:24:34)

Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

heuuuu yes but no.. you didnt calibrate your extruder like that...you can, but this parameter is not here for that..

follow this:

http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/201 … libration/

you need to change the value in 'Default Axis Steps per Unit. ' for Z in the EEPROM (RH menu..)




to see if it's warp, put a piece of glass of the same side on the bed and see if the glass 'wobble'when you gently push on it on different zone...

or use something very straight (a ruler) on a the diagonal of the bed..

18 (edited by BFresh 2013-05-31 17:03:04)

Re: Slicer seems to miss bits?

Ok, i'm back, ive calibrated the shit out of everything, updated to the latest version, and come to this conclusion...

Too much flowrate on the first layer only. If I do the flow rate at 70% for the first layer then back to 100% for the rest it seems to work.

I think theres a bug in slicer maybe?

Take a look at the attached image. The smoother one was done at 70% for the first layer

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yes.. perhaps a bug in the last version ... as i always do manual adjust during first layer printing, it's perhaps why i didn't see the thru nature of this evil bug..

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After further investigation and improvement, I am none the wiser.

However, I have reduced the extrusion multiplier, and also the extrusion width to 4.0, and maximum infill I use for solid parts is 90% density. These settings seem to be the best working yet for solid parts and general printing. I've tried the profile on 2 different printers, one with glass bed and cover, and one without both, and the results were more or less the same.

The finish of the first layer is pretty good too, but I've done better by manually adjusting the flow-rate on the fly. I plan to improve this profile further.

I have attached the config file.

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