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Topic: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

Right i've spent 8 hrs messing with my new printer and so far i managed to print out a disc 10mm in diameter and nothing else.

I've set up my bed using a sheet of paper it looks ok, it slides just underneath it?

But i can no longer get it to feed properly, it doesn't stick at all now either so i will buy acetone tomorrow and order some glass. I've cleaned out the feed rollers as they have been stripping the filliment, i don't know why i thought the nozel was to close to the print bed but then i spent hours tweaking it up and down by a tiny amount and didn't seam to make any difference. I can manually extrude fine.

What temperature should i set the head to? I've tried 200 and 210 and not really made that much difference? It doesn't help that the aluminium bed is bent in the middle by nearly .4 to .5mm but i set the distance up for the middle where my small print was.

I'm not sure how to adjust my settings using slic3r? When i click on the configure button it loads up separately... Not that i know what to adjust anyway but some pointers would be great

Any help appreciated? Especially if you have skype or facetime! Lol

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

You need to use something a little thicker than a peice of paper.  A business card perhaps.  You will be too close to the table and the extruder will backup and not extrude and you will strip filament on the first pass as you are seeing.One way I do it is to increase the gap until it doesn't stick then work you way down a 1/4 turn at a time until it sticks nice. The other thing to look out for is that you have the spring tension set on the extruder feed so that the space between the springs is about 1/3 the width of spring next to it.  There is no need to set the temp over 200.  I'm using black abs and am set to 200.  195 is probably fine for most abs.  If you don't have acetone you can use rubbing alcohol.  I highly recommend the glass top but for now just bump up your bed temp to 100 and put a small towel over it so it will get up to temp.  Pull the towel off and start your job.  It will stick.  Finally, make absolutely sure you turn off the extruder between runs so that it doesn't clog up.

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

Excuse me if you've already tried this, but it is possible that you've tried printing too close to the bed and caused the extruder to strip the plastic (the pressure of the molten plastic pushes back up into the extruder since it cannot escape the nozzle onto the print bed and that pressure causes the filament to jam).  When that happens, you can still manually push plastic into the extruder and see it extrude.  Look around the drive gear of the extruder and see if there is powdered plastic around the teeth.  If so, take office canned air with the narrow straw and clean out the powder  (I usually run the drive a couple rotations very slowly so I can blow around the gear).  Then you need to make sure that the groove that was ground into the filament is past the drive gear so it will work again.

Cheers,
Fred
Fredrick C. Hagemeister
http://blog.richmond.edu/ti3d

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

For adjusting the space between the bed and extruder i just used a playcard (hearts of 2) smile

//Matte

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

I agree a sheet of paper is too thin. I use a business card that I measured to be .3mm thick. I start  there and adjust down if it doesn't stick and up if the plastic is too thin.
When you hit the configure button it opens a new window, you go through the windows and make your adjustments, then you save them. You can build a library, one with extra perimeters, one with extra solid layers, one with 10% infill and another with 50%. Make sure you save each profile. Then close the configuration window and on the slicing screen you can hit the drop down box and select whichever profile you want. There are profiles for slicing, printers and filament.

Hope this helps, it can be frustrating at first. Hit up a local hardware store and have them cut you a piece of glass for a cou..ple of bucks. That's the modification that's made the most difference to me. Make sure to readjust the Z stop to compensate for the thickness of the glass...

Good luck,

TiM

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

I just got my SD3 also and have been making some progress.

It was definitely frustrating at first and this is a long set of instructions but it's how I got mine working.

By far, the best investment I've made is going by home depot, getting a 16"x20" piece of glass (~$10?) and a little $5 glass cutter, and a bottle of hair spray (new experience for a guy with a shaved-bald head!). Cut the glass into 8" squares.  Use sandpaper on the edges to avoid cutting yourself.  Spray on the hair spray on one side and let it dry.  Find some decent binder clips for holding it down (but not yet)...

Also - go buy some digital calipers from Harbor Freight at your first opportunity - they make calibration much easier with the different ways you can use them:
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-digital- … 68304.html

...And forget about printing thumbscrews for now...

(1) Screw down all of the leveling screws to about 3/8" sticking out of the nut on the bottom (aluminum bed).

(2) Run the z-stop screw down all the way and then back up about 1/4"

(3) Move the X and Y axes so the extruder is at the back right corner

(4) Home the z axis - there should be a gap between the bed and nozzle

(5) Turn the z stop screw counterclockwise (unscrew) about a turn

(6) Re-home the z-axis - the gap should be getting smaller

(7) Repeat the last two until you get the "business card" gap between the nozzle and the bed (at the back right corner)

(8) Screw down the front two leveling screws about 2 turns each.

(9) Move the nozzle (by X and Y moves) to the front right corner

(10) The nozzle should be about 1mm away from the bed

(11) Unscrew the front right leveling screw until you get the "business card" gap

(12) Move the nozzle (by X and Y moves) to the front left corner

(13) There should still be a bigger gap than you want

(14) Unscrew the front left leveling screw until you get the "business card" gap

(15) Now you're only left with fine adjustments.

(16) Keep moving around the corners and very slightly (maybe a quarter turn either way each time) until you're satisfied with the gap.

(17) Now, go back to the z-stop screw and screw it down until you can fit the glass underneath

(18) Clip the glass (sprayed side up) to the bed near the front on both sides and in the back middle.

(19) If you squeeze the handles of the binder clips, you can actually remove the handles

(20) Now you should readjust the z-stop screw with the glass in place for the nozzle to be at the "business card" gap

(21) At this point you should be able to go through the "first layers" calibration for the z-stop screw:
http://wiki.solidoodle.com/first-layers … e-z-offset

(22) Now that some plastic is sticking... Do this calibration for Slic3r:
http://richrap.blogspot.com/2012/01/sli … s-and.html
http://richrap.blogspot.com/2012/01/sli … t-and.html
http://richrap.blogspot.com/2012/01/sli … n-you.html
Trying to print multiples of this model worked well for the slic3r calibration:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34553

(23) If your prints are skewed like mine were, do this:
http://vimeo.com/55031028

You'll probably have a hard time with the thumbscrews until you get an enclosure and an extruder fan mounted but it is possible - I got them printed after knocking many off the bed.  The problem is that the edges curl and catch on the nozzle - they get bumped off and then you have a mess.  Someone really should make some thumbscrews without the overhang (I might do that this weekend).

Good Luck!

DMGT

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

Thank you everyone... An so another day starts! I will keep you posted!

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I bought 3 wing nuts at the local hardware store, put a drop of crazy glue on the wingnut threads and screwed them on a couple of turns and waited for the glue to set. Easy bed adjusting and you can easily break the crazy glue free if you need to with a hex on top and a crescent wrench on the wing nut...

TiM

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

Woooo thank you.... I'm getting there!

Photo of 1st layers
Photo of finished
Photo of underside.

At .3 layer

I covered the table with two face clothes and temp rises so much quicker and got past the 87 degrees c.

I also manually extruded about 30mm of material just before i printed to make sure it was flowing nicely

Thanks again... Now what to do? Lol

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Re: I just cant get it to work... Pulling my hair out SD3

Things I wish i knew or knew to check 10 days ago:

Your nozzle is .35 (I think) and your settings in Repetier/Ponterface reflect this. (if you have a MAC, they give you bad settings)

You found some way of feeding your extruder from the spool that doesn't pull the filament out of the extruder. (PVC is not awesome)

You put some cardboard or plexiglass to make a case. (HUGE difference)

You picked up a can of hairspray (aerosol of course!) and will spray a nice thin layer on prior to printing. I left the Kapton tape on

You are considering where you can pick up some appropriately sized glass to use on your heated bed. This should address your bent aluminum build platform issue.

You aren't printing Yodas, you decided to print replacement parts for your SD3. Specifically, Lawsy's MK 4, Paeltz' easy enclosure, and probably a spool system you like. Also, I find that printing with my bed at 95-100 degrees and my extruder at 200 degrees provide the best results. 

After all of that...I am able to print pretty well at 0.2 without rafts or supports. All of these things were the key to getting good prints.

Congrats on getting something off the platform! I have a box of botched print attempts just waiting to be recycled. big_smile

Aloha!

Jeremy