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Topic: Ready to smash my printer...

The first week and a half, prints were great.   Now I can't get a good print to save my life!

I think the bed is warped, I need new Kapton Tape, The gear seems to be clogging easily and thus not feeding at the right rate.... UGH.

I need a "reset" button.


Any SD experts in Phoenix, AZ that would like to help?  I'll buy lunch!

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The Kapton tape  doesn't go bad.  The outline shows the bed is level. The bed worked before so warpage is not the problem and it won't get warped as time goes on.
Try upping the extruder temp 10 degrees if your not at 210 already.
If that don't work you might have a partial clog in the tip. You will probably need to remove and clean the tip. Remove it hot so you don't break the barrel.

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Looks like maybe a partial clog or the extruder gear is slipping... one other thing is filament varies a lot check the od and extrusion tests.

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pcpoirier wrote:

The Kapton tape  doesn't go bad.

Not "bad" but it does get nicked and torn, which then leaves imperfections in the print, and areas where it won't stick as well.


pcpoirier wrote:

The outline shows the bed is level. The bed worked before so warpage is not the problem and it won't get warped as time goes on.

You can't tell if a bed is level or not just by looking at it.  It has to be calibrated.  Which I have done many times.  I say it's warped because doing the level calibration using paper (I'm going to buy an indicator to have actual #'s), there is a larger, very noticible gap between the bed and extruder in the CENTER of the platform.

pcpoirier wrote:

Try upping the extruder temp 10 degrees if your not at 210 already.
If that don't work you might have a partial clog in the tip. You will probably need to remove and clean the tip. Remove it hot so you don't break the barrel.

I'm at 200 already and that has been fine for the first couple of weeks. 

It also turns out that it seems to be fine for small parts, but when going to bigger parts that's when it really starts to have issues.  Thus the subject of this post tongue

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The best fix for a warped bed and torn kapton is glass.  For a partial clog, a violin E string will fit in the nozzle, and one end has a loop which makes it easy to hold on to.

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Ok, just did the Flow Rate Calibration (http://wiki.solidoodle.com/flow-rate)

I get a thickness of ~ .79 which if my calculations are correct, is too much material.

So I should be setting my multiplier to .53?  Will have to try it and see what I get.

; generated by Slic3r 0.9.9 on 2013-04-13 at 12:56:26

; layer_height = 0.1
; perimeters = 1
; top_solid_layers = 2
; bottom_solid_layers = 2
; fill_density = 0
; perimeter_speed = 45
; infill_speed = 60
; travel_speed = 60
; nozzle_diameter = .35
; filament_diameter = 1.7
; extrusion_multiplier = 1
; perimeters extrusion width = 0.42mm
; infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; solid infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; top infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; first layer extrusion width = 0.42mm

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Ok, Multiplier of .53 sucked.  Couldn't print all the walls, so I switched back to the default of .79 for the multiplier and it prints well (not as nice as the 1.0, but the thickness is closer to .42).

With the .79 multiplier the thickness was approximately .59.

I could lower the Multiplier a bit, but I think the print quality will suffer too much.   Going to pick up a string today to see if cleaning out the nozzle will do anything.

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Go to a music store and get guitar string.
what was your model wall thickness?

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I'm in Tempe, but I wouldn't call myself an expert. I would agree with the glass bed recommendation though. Just give a call to ACE or Home Depot and ask for a few sheets of their thinnest untempered glass cut to your bed size. They'll even grind the edges for you for a few extra bucks and it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes, so they should be ready by the time you drive down to pick them up. Get some of the medium sized binder clips (They open to exactly the right width to fit my glass and bed) because they won't interfere as much with your motors or printhead.

Ace also has some brass wire that's thin enough. I dont remember what gauge off the top of my head, but it was the thinnest they provide.

As far as calibration goes, I have noticed my perimeter thickness seems off after I updated to the new Slic3r even though I did all the calibration steps. I'm not sure if that's just a problem I'm having or something wrong with the new version. Maybe try downgrading to the older slic3r and try?

Feel free to send me a PM if you want. I would be interested in meeting up anyway after my finals are done.

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BotBot wrote:

I'm in Tempe, but I wouldn't call myself an expert. I would agree with the glass bed recommendation though. Just give a call to ACE or Home Depot and ask for a few sheets of their thinnest untempered glass cut to your bed size. They'll even grind the edges for you for a few extra bucks and it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes, so they should be ready by the time you drive down to pick them up. Get some of the medium sized binder clips (They open to exactly the right width to fit my glass and bed) because they won't interfere as much with your motors or printhead.

Ace also has some brass wire that's thin enough. I dont remember what gauge off the top of my head, but it was the thinnest they provide.

As far as calibration goes, I have noticed my perimeter thickness seems off after I updated to the new Slic3r even though I did all the calibration steps. I'm not sure if that's just a problem I'm having or something wrong with the new version. Maybe try downgrading to the older slic3r and try?

Feel free to send me a PM if you want. I would be interested in meeting up anyway after my finals are done.

I tried the Glass option, and had really bad results.  I would also like to be able to use the printer as intended (without Hair Spray) if possible.  Since this is AZ and it's in my garage, keeping the temp up in the summer shouldn't be an issue.

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Arcadenut wrote:


I tried the Glass option, and had really bad results

This would be the first case I have heard of...

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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If it was the same result as the picture, then it wasn't the glass.  What is happening in the photo is inconsistent extrusion, possibly from a partial clog.  If the poking around with a wire doesn't help, sometimes there is something going on in the PEEK insulator.  I used to have trouble with extrusion unless I ran a fan on the PEEK for the first minute or so of the print.  I think too much heat would get too high up while waiting for the print to start.  The filament would expand and cause too much friction in the PEEK.  Once the fan cooled it down enough, the steady supply of cool filament coming in would keep it from jamming again.  So if nothing you do with the nozzle helps, give that a try.

I am curious about your result with the glass since that has worked for everybody.  Make sure you clip at 2-3 corners, but not four.  As for using the printer as intended, it was intended that it would have a flat aluminum bed.  If the bed is concave, nothing you do is as intended.

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I have to say that this is happening to me... I've been pretty lucky to not have any clogging up until now.  I've removed the extruder (pretty much shattering the jigsaw in the process) and have removed and cleaned the nozzle (no torch but a gas stove works wonders) and drilled out the brass tube about an inch in (too much plastic for my tastes) but was unable to remove it from the PEEK.  I did notice a small amount of blackened plastic leakage around the join at the PEEK, so I'll probably have to fully take it apart.  Do we have an equivalent to teflon tape for use in the PEEK join?  I'd hate to have to go through this again...

If it weren't for elmoret, I wouldn't have a jigsaw replacement, and without the guides I'd be lost as to how to get it all apart and together.  +1 for having a gas stove as I don't have a torch, +1 to Ian as I think I'll need to completely remove the brass from the PEEK.  This does not bode well, but I'll get through it.

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I'm going to try the Glass Bed again and see if I get better results. 

I'll post a follow up after I do the testing.  Might not be today.

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The clogs are usually just in the tip.  Just clean the tip real good and put it back together. The brass tube and peek should be ok  as they are. You will need to set the z level and calibrate the filament flow rate.

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"Usually" is the operative word here.  Understand, if you are leaking plastic from the PEEK and barrel connection, then you more than likely have some trapped up there as well.  This is why Ian is recommending pulling the barrel from the PEEK and inspecting both ends in barrel and PEEK.

I'm doing mine tonight and I'll probably have to drill out the barrel, but at least that should clear up my clogging issues.

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Actually I never had a choice in removing the barrel.  It was always loose enough that it unscrewed whenever I tried to turn the nozzle, even when at temperature.  I had the get the barrel out and grip it to remove the nozzle.  I think it might have been an actual Makergear PEEK at the time however.  It sounds like Solidoodle's fit a little tighter, or else the PEEK is getting hot enough that it swells and fills in any space between the threads.

If there is a leak between the PEEK and the barrel, it would probably be a good idea to just replace it because it will probably never be quite right.  I think Solidoodle can improve the reliability of the extruder if they mounted a fan on the front to blow on the PEEK.  It isn't strictly necessary under ideal conditions, but it would make it harder to screw up the hot end.  Since the thermistor is all the way down on the nozzle, you never really know how hot the heater and the barrel just above it is getting.

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Arcadenut wrote:

The first week and a half, prints were great.   Now I can't get a good print to save my life!

I think the bed is warped, I need new Kapton Tape, The gear seems to be clogging easily and thus not feeding at the right rate.... UGH.

I need a "reset" button.


Any SD experts in Phoenix, AZ that would like to help?  I'll buy lunch!


I know what you mean, the first 2 weeks went well, I had some really good prints. Then after running a 12 hr print that turned out  well, the hotend failed.I got a new one from SD , but its been downhill ever since. I had  few decent prints but I know I wasted 3/4 of roll of filament trying to get  it to print correctly. SD says the leaking between the peek and the barrel is "normal".  Also  the ptfe rose out of the peek about eighth of an inch which they say is "ok"umm what are  the Pins for?LIke you I need to go back to square one.It seems like  the bad prints started when I got the New hotend.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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OK, I have the glass bed working.  Testing with a larger print to see how much it lifts off the bed.

Took a lot of experimentation to get it working.  I think the first time I was afraid of breaking or damaging the glass if I got the extruder too close, but this time I said screw it, and put close (used the paper technique to determine distance).

Might try a hair closer if it curls.  I am also finishing up the enclosure this week, which hopefully will eliminate any lift.

My concern now, is I want to get a couple more pieces of glass to swap out when a print is complete.  The issue is, is that the glass will be a lot cooler then the bed when I swap them and I am concerned that the glass will break.  We could be talking 100F temperature difference!

Is Safety glass better, the same, or worse then normal glass in this application?

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Arcadenut wrote:

Is Safety glass better, the same, or worse then normal glass in this application?

I'd go as far as to say it's safer in that it won't be as easily stressed and crack as ordinary glass, but for the purposes of printing it's exactly the same.

cckens wrote:

So I'll probably have to fully take it apart.  Do we have an equivalent to teflon tape for use in the PEEK join?  I'd hate to have to go through this again...

the solidoodle support people advise against doing this, suggesting that the peek tends to (or at least should) mate quite firmly with the barrel the first time it's heated.

They say that taking the brass out of the peek can ruin the threads in the peek making the part useless.

makes me wish that there was a flat spot on the barrel that we could put a 5mm crescent wrench on to undo the nozzle, rather than trying to hold either the peek or barrel to get the nozzle off.

DePartedPrinter wrote:
Arcadenut wrote:


I tried the Glass option, and had really bad results

This would be the first case I have heard of...

glass + hair spray isn't a simple solution, I tried this (in the UK) with two different brands of hair spray in varying concentrations of spray and couldn't get the 1st layer to stick properly.

in the end I went back to kapton, I've now got a kapton sheet over the toip of the glass, so I keep the flatness of the glass, an keep the "easy-stick" of the kapton.

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I take my brass out of the peek all the time when it is hot. no problems.

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danny wrote:

makes me wish that there was a flat spot on the barrel that we could put a 5mm crescent wrench on to undo the nozzle, rather than trying to hold either the peek or barrel to get the nozzle off.

Nothing that a Dremel tool, flex shaft attachment and a steady hand can't hack..... erm, fix.

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If it isn't one thing, it's another. GRRR!

Was printing beautifully and then it got  a major clog, which I now have to try and get rid of.  ARGH!

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Ok, unclogged.  Luckily I was able to unclog it be cranking the heat up and using a paperclip.

I think the clog was due to the gear slipping again.  Tightened it down, and I am trying the full size print again.

I can see that's it still slips a little (but no where near what it did before).  I think the gear shaft is a bit worn due to the earlier slippage so it's not gripping very well.   Will have to find something to keep it in place better.

As for the Glass.  I'm a convert now.  I'm getting a lot better results now that it's dialed in.  Once I get the gear issue resolved, I should be good to go.

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I noticed my filament goes bad sitting on the back of the printer a few weeks. I put the roll in the oven at  195 degrees Fahrenheit for 2hours. The filament worked at a lower temp and extruder quit skipping. I guess the oven brought down the melting temperature of the plastic.
The reel warped a little but I was still able to use it with some spacers on the outside.
Maybe I will find a round Tupperware container to keep it from going stale while on the back of the printer.