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Re: E3D Titan extruder

ssauntson wrote:
viperz28 wrote:

Ok, there is a problem, unless I assembled wrong. The way the assembly sits in the carriage now, only one bolt goes through the carriage. The bottom left is secured through the carriage and motor but the bottom right does not. Because of this it shifts. I am going back to review my assembly.

This only seems to apply if you had already drilled out for the e3d, did I print out the wrong mount?

You have certainly done something wrong. I have three going Init the stepper, top-left, top-right, bottom-left. The Bottom right is the short bolt. Only goes into the captive nut within the Titan body.

Correct, but only one goes through the carriage. With the shim I printed there is a 3mm gap which allows the assemble to shift.

http://soliforum.com/i/?apk83Y2.jpg

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Re: E3D Titan extruder

viperz28 wrote:
ssauntson wrote:
viperz28 wrote:

Ok, there is a problem, unless I assembled wrong. The way the assembly sits in the carriage now, only one bolt goes through the carriage. The bottom left is secured through the carriage and motor but the bottom right does not. Because of this it shifts. I am going back to review my assembly.

This only seems to apply if you had already drilled out for the e3d, did I print out the wrong mount?

You have certainly done something wrong. I have three going Init the stepper, top-left, top-right, bottom-left. The Bottom right is the short bolt. Only goes into the captive nut within the Titan body.

Correct, but only one goes through the carriage. With the shim I printed there is a 3mm gap which allows the assemble to shift.

http://soliforum.com/i/?apk83Y2.jpg

I seem to be having a similar issue. Just finished up the mod, and when attempting to remove filament (if I have to give it a pull from above), the carriage shifts as well. Perhaps we need to use longer bolts, but it seemed like the holes didn't line up correctly or something. I'll have to investigate a little.

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For those of you asking about Titan, as well as Titan with a small short stack (pancake) stepper motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAQ9sl … e=youtu.be

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Re: E3D Titan extruder

elmoret wrote:

For those of you asking about Titan, as well as Titan with a small short stack (pancake) stepper motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAQ9sl … e=youtu.be

Excellent

180 (edited by scobo 2016-04-24 20:31:12)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

viperz28 wrote:

Correct, but only one goes through the carriage. With the shim I printed there is a 3mm gap which allows the assemble to shift.

Is it something to do with the smaller stepper maybe ??

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Re: E3D Titan extruder

elmoret wrote:

For those of you asking about Titan, as well as Titan with a small short stack (pancake) stepper motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAQ9sl … e=youtu.be

Brilliant !
That clears up the short stepper torque debate. ;-)

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Anycubic Photon DLP printer, Einscan-S 3D scanner
Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
http://www.thingiverse.com/scobo/designs

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Very cool I have always enjoyed Tom's guides and reviews. and it makes sense that the 3:1 gear allows for a smaller lighter motor  that in turn allows for faster acceleration or less vibration.
My FT 2020 uses an inbetween size motor for the extruder the x,z axis  the y uses the larger  motor.
And FYI my titan and V6 are installed and running. 
tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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ssauntson wrote:

Ok after some working out here is the fix.
If you have done the E3D v6 mod previously and don't wish too drill anymore holes.
I have attached a new bracket called No More Hole. Print this and the excess gap you have will be filled in, this will prevent the carriage/stepper movement.

Hope this helps, sorry for any confusion

Thanks for al your time and effort on this, I need to buy a beer or two.

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ssauntson wrote:

Ok after some working out here is the fix.
If you have done the E3D v6 mod previously and don't wish too drill anymore holes.
I have attached a new bracket called No More Hole. Print this and the excess gap you have will be filled in, this will prevent the carriage/stepper movement.

Hope this helps, sorry for any confusion

Thanks for the update and new fix.

Is your drill guide different than the original one that was out there?  Does this change anything other that the hole alignment?

I am going to mode mine in a week or two when I can find some time.  Just got my Titan.


Mark

DaVinci 1.0A with Repetier .92
Simplify 3D
E3DV6

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ok, next problem, we need to drill, if not, the extruder nozzle is too high and the back of the carriage will catch on the right rear screw of the heated bed and make a awful nose.

186 (edited by mpoffo 2016-04-25 03:03:28)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

viperz28 wrote:

ok, next problem, we need to drill, if not, the extruder nozzle is too high and the back of the carriage will catch on the right rear screw of the heated bed and make a awful nose.


Just so I am clear, you had previously done the e3dv6 mod and the first bracket, allows for "wiggle room" and the second one makes the hot end/nozzle too high?  So the solution is to use the first one with new holes?

DaVinci 1.0A with Repetier .92
Simplify 3D
E3DV6

187 (edited by viperz28 2016-04-25 03:07:00)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

mpoffo wrote:
viperz28 wrote:

ok, next problem, we need to drill, if not, the extruder nozzle is too high and the back of the carriage will catch on the right rear screw of the heated bed and make a awful nose.


Just so I am clear, you had previously done the e3dv6 mod and the first bracket, allows for "wiggle room" and the second one makes hot end too high?  So the solution is to use the first one with new holes?

E3d mod...yes
Wiggle room....yes, about 3mm. So I made a shim to stabilize it then when I went to print after leveling the bed the back of the carriage caught on the screw. I don't see another way other than to drill new holes. But even when I did the e3d mod it would bump that screw but never hang.

188 (edited by mpoffo 2016-04-25 03:14:10)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

viperz28 wrote:
mpoffo wrote:
viperz28 wrote:

ok, next problem, we need to drill, if not, the extruder nozzle is too high and the back of the carriage will catch on the right rear screw of the heated bed and make a awful nose.


Just so I am clear, you had previously done the e3dv6 mod and the first bracket, allows for "wiggle room" and the second one makes hot end too high?  So the solution is to use the first one with new holes?

E3d mod...yes
Wiggle room....yes, about 3mm. So I made a shim to stabilize it then when I went to print after leveling the bed the back of the carriage caught on the screw. I don't see another way other than to drill new holes. But even when I did the e3d mod it would bump that screw but never hang.

I have seen others remove the screw and use plastic zip ties instead.  Not ideal but it may work.

I guess I am trying to figure this out in my head.  It has been a bit since I did my E3d v6 mod and I thought the guide here was using the original mod as a starting point of sorts.  Drilling a few new holes is not too big of an issue assuming they don't overlap with other holes.

I assumed you used the new moded bracket posted?

DaVinci 1.0A with Repetier .92
Simplify 3D
E3DV6

189 (edited by viperz28 2016-04-25 03:58:42)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

mpoffo wrote:
viperz28 wrote:
mpoffo wrote:

Just so I am clear, you had previously done the e3dv6 mod and the first bracket, allows for "wiggle room" and the second one makes hot end too high?  So the solution is to use the first one with new holes?

E3d mod...yes
Wiggle room....yes, about 3mm. So I made a shim to stabilize it then when I went to print after leveling the bed the back of the carriage caught on the screw. I don't see another way other than to drill new holes. But even when I did the e3d mod it would bump that screw but never hang.

I have seen others remove the screw and use plastic zip ties instead.  Not ideal but it may work.

I guess I am trying to figure this out in my head.  It has been a bit since I did my E3d v6 mod and I thought the guide here was using the original mod as a starting point of sorts.  Drilling a few new holes is not too big of an issue assuming they don't overlap with other holes.

I assumed you used the new moded bracket posted?


I used the first bracket and shimmed that one, did not get a chance to print anything since I only have the one printer. I like the idea of a zip tie.

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Perhaps give the zip a try.  At the least you may be able to print out the new bracket ssauntson made.  Hopefully I get a chance to play with this next weekend.  For now I am looking at the original stepper but looking at the lighter version you have.

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Simplify 3D
E3DV6

191 (edited by viperz28 2016-04-25 03:45:52)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

mpoffo wrote:

Perhaps give the zip a try.  At the least you may be able to print out the new bracket ssauntson made.  Hopefully I get a chance to play with this next weekend.  For now I am looking at the original stepper but looking at the lighter version you have.

I did the zip tie and all appears to be well, but the carriage appears to only be about 2-3 mm from the glass, I may still redrill holes so I can get the extra clearance.

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Titan arrived.  Will get on by Birthday.  Hopefully by then, we will know the best way to do a e3d V6 and Titan all at 1 time

Da Vinci 1.0a.  Repetier 0.92.  E3D V6.  Titan Extruder.  Sllic3r.  Octoprint on Raspberry Pi B+.

193 (edited by viperz28 2016-04-25 04:25:53)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

Printing ABS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9tu6o1JXIA

First print, still needs some tuning. There was some filament on the side of the nozzle that caught when it was doing the bigger circle.

http://soliforum.com/i/?N8LSP7u.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?FlmAyWJ.jpg

194 (edited by ssauntson 2016-04-25 09:05:36)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

II am so sorry this is causing so much hassle. I personally didn't have any of these issues.
Seriously, I just did the mod, set it up and printed. As I said in the guide. I did do the carriage drop by 2mm, I think this may have been fortunate as my nozzle as never touched the rear screw.

If it helps, I'll make an adjustment to the bracket to fill the first holes drilled and leave the new holes only. This may stabilise everything by locking the two parts together. PLEASE let me know if this is of interest as it'll take some time to accurately draw this, taking into account shrinkage.

I am truly Sorry to the community.....

P.S would it help too add some Start Gcode to move the bed down by say 5mm before moving the carriage and then Reset the Z axis?

My Start Gcode

Start -
M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; Bed (no wait)
M106 S255 ; Start fan
G90 ; set absolute coordinates
G28 ; home all axis
M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; Bed (wait)
M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; Extruder (no wait)
M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; Extruder (wait)
M117 Start
M117 Cleaning
M100 ; Cleaning
G1 Z5 F1500
G1 X0 Y15 F1000
G1 X32 Y30 F1000
G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
G1 Z0.3 F4800.00
M117 Printing

Set Temps as required. The line which will prevent hitting the screw is G1 Z5 F1500 before G92 E0 which then moves it back. This tells the bed too lower by 5mm before moving

195 (edited by ssauntson 2016-04-25 10:25:35)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

I have just added a new bracket. redrawn and hopefully this will fill the original E3Dv6 mod holes in and leave the whole thing more solid.... it is called EXTRUDER BRACKET HOLES FILL. Attached to the Main guide and here.

Click 3D Preview next too file and hopefully you will see the idea

Printed 0.2 layers and 100% Infill

I think you can best describe them as locating pegs........

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ssauntson wrote:

I have just added a new bracket. redrawn and hopefully this will fill the original E3Dv6 mod holes in and leave the whole thing more solid.... it is called EXTRUDER BRACKET HOLES FILL. Attached to the Main guide and here.

Click 3D Preview next too file and hopefully you will see the idea

Printed 0.2 layers and 100% Infill

I think you can best describe them as locating pegs........

Ssauntson, thanks again.  There is no need to be sorry.  smile  Modding printers is not always an exact science so when people are some of the first to make those mods things happen.

I personally appreciate your efforts here very much.  It will make my job a lot easier when I get mine in.

A quick question,  When you say you dropped yours by 2mm, did you adjust the original "hole" template by 2mm?

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Simplify 3D
E3DV6

197 (edited by ssauntson 2016-04-25 13:49:39)

Re: E3D Titan extruder

Mpoffo

thank you for your kind words of encouragment. yes the original E3Dv6 mod left the nozzle too high if the Titan was just simply swapped. So I dropped the nozzle and titan complete by 2mm and it works and looks better

UPDATE

I am just printing the new Bracket which i drew this monring to see if i have the measurements correct. will post pictures  also

Till later

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mpoffo wrote:

Ssauntson, thanks again.  There is no need to be sorry.  smile  Modding printers is not always an exact science so when people are some of the first to make those mods things happen.

I personally appreciate your efforts here very much.  It will make my job a lot easier when I get mine in.

Well said !
I think one of the problems is that we're all at different stages of this mod.
Some of us have already fitted an E3D hotend with the old mod and others, like yourself Stuart, are starting from scratch fitting both a Titan and E3D at the same time so methods will vary and there's bound to be a bit of confusion.
I'm sure we'll all get there in the end if we pull ideas together and post our results here. smile

Davinci 1.0 with repetier firmware & E3D V6 Lite
Anycubic Photon DLP printer, Einscan-S 3D scanner
Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
http://www.thingiverse.com/scobo/designs

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Re: E3D Titan extruder

ssauntson wrote:

II am so sorry this is causing so much hassle. I personally didn't have any of these issues.
Seriously, I just did the mod, set it up and printed. As I said in the guide. I did do the carriage drop by 2mm, I think this may have been fortunate as my nozzle as never touched the rear screw.

If it helps, I'll make an adjustment to the bracket to fill the first holes drilled and leave the new holes only. This may stabilise everything by locking the two parts together. PLEASE let me know if this is of interest as it'll take some time to accurately draw this, taking into account shrinkage.

I am truly Sorry to the community.....

P.S would it help too add some Start Gcode to move the bed down by say 5mm before moving the carriage and then Reset the Z axis?

My Start Gcode

Start -
M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; Bed (no wait)
M106 S255 ; Start fan
G90 ; set absolute coordinates
G28 ; home all axis
M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; Bed (wait)
M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; Extruder (no wait)
M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; Extruder (wait)
M117 Start
M117 Cleaning
M100 ; Cleaning
G1 Z5 F1500
G1 X0 Y15 F1000
G1 X32 Y30 F1000
G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
G1 Z0.3 F4800.00
M117 Printing

Set Temps as required. The line which will prevent hitting the screw is G1 Z5 F1500 before G92 E0 which then moves it back. This tells the bed too lower by 5mm before moving

No apologies needed, that is what this community is for. We can all collaborate and have fun!

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viperz28 wrote:

Printing ABS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9tu6o1JXIA

First print, still needs some tuning. There was some filament on the side of the nozzle that caught when it was doing the bigger circle.

http://soliforum.com/i/?N8LSP7u.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?FlmAyWJ.jpg

These prints don't look normal to me, what do you guys think?