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Topic: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

So this is my first printer. I've been able to have a couple successful prints, but it's kind of a gamble.  It seems like the previous owner of this printer did not take very good care of it.  I'm very new to 3D printing, and google searches have only gotten me so far.

Sometimes the printer will just randomly dim its lights and become unresponsive. When this happens mid-print there's no way (that I know of) to recover from it and continue printing when it reconnects. From what I've seen this sounds like a power supply issue, but I'd just like to be sure before I rip this thing apart.

Other concerns are just dustiness and general "looseness" with the board on back. USB cable is like super wobbly, seems like a shotty soldering job.

Any comments, suggestions, remarks, songs of woe etc are greatly appreciated. I'd really like to get this thing in good, reliable working condition. If you guys need pictures of parts that you think might be causing the issue, let me know.

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

First off, welcome to the forum!

1) The lights dimming is due to the power supply Solidoodle supplied the printers with. This is usually the case after some modifications, but I have heard of some users getting a PSU of poor quality. There are many replacements and upgrades out there.
2) Do you get any errors when it fails? It may be possible that the PSU issue is tied in to this problem. It could also be that the board is overheating and needs some cooling.
3) The USB port on the board can get wobbly from a user being too rough with it.
If you can supply us with a picture or two of the unit, we can see what, if any changes were made to the machine. I've personally experienced two of the problems stated, but if it has not been modified, my experience may be pointless in this regard.

Everything on the Solidoodle, aside from the bed platform and frame are replaceable. So just keep your cool in the meantime smile

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

You should replace the PS with something substantially more powerful if you intend on upgrading heat things.

e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Input-Output-Me … B00E0K8LXO

Do you have a printrboard or sanguinololu?  The sanguinololu has a long atmega644p chip and says sanguinololu somewhere on it.

Does the power LED flicker if you wiggle the USB around when only plugged to computer?  (not sure if it would, but... maybe this will tell you if the connection is bad).

SD2 Sanguinololu 1.3a atmega1284p, wood platform, lawsy's carriages, braided fishing line, pallet wood overhead spool mount, carboard/magnet enclosure, glass bed, E3D v6, bed levelling knobs, extended z-stop, 25A DC-DC SSR for bed heater, everything fixed to the SD2 frame, marlin firmware with some adjustments and extra failsafes enabled.  I'll never give up on you, little printer that could(n't)!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Here are pictures of the board, the extruder, and the PSU.
http://imgur.com/gallery/ojOaX

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

On further inspection, it looks like the power cord running from the PSU was slightly out of the socket, this could be what was causing the problem. I won't know until I test a few prints, though. However, I'd still like some feedback from the pictures about what I should focus on cleaning up, fixing, or upgrading. Thanks so much for the quick replies!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Ok, so you have a Sang (Sanguinololu) which is much easier to use and flash than the later models with a Printrboard.
That makes it much easier to upgrade to a Supernight PSU which you can find here.
UPGRADES!! Woo-hoo! Where to start?
-When you can successfully print again, whip this up ASAP http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:111213
-An E3D is a superior hotend to the one you have. Depending on your region, you can either order from e3d-online.com (UK) or Filstruder.com (US). This is a heavily documented and discussed upgrade, so there will be no shortage of help. They start at $39 for the Lite6.
-Consider printing new carriages found here. I can't remember how many users I've printed these for. This will require some other accessories to maximize your results. LM8UU bearings are a must, and it is widely recommended to upgrade your shafts. McMaster-Carr sells near flawless ones for a reasonable price.
-A wellnut costs less than $2 and helps fight backlash on your Z rod.
-Add a fan to your board. If you push your printer for several hours a day, this will really help since your stepper drivers get hot enough as it is.
-The most crucial in my book, and almost as cheap as the wellnut, ditch the kapton on your glass bed. Tear it off and grab some of this...be sure you get the super extra hold. Just give a generous spray to the bottom of your glass, put it back on your bed and cycle the bed heat to 100 and back down to ambient 3 times...you will never need binder clips again. A fine mist or two for the surface is all you need to keep your print in place.

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

http://soliforum.com/i/?j1jUyxF.jpglol

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

2 things I see in your pic of extruder etc.

that glass looks very thick which may make bed temp hard to reach with the stock heater.

also the micro switch on right side near extruder is missing a wire from its connector tab. Edit;  scratch this I found the other wire its plugged in under the empty tab

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

see about other wires also like the Z micro switch. thermisters on bed and extruder (every connection point/plug) and heaters on bed and extruder. more pics may show other issues.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Thanks, this helps a bunch! I'll get to printing the replacement carriages and the extruder stuff real soon. I just printed part of a spool holder without any power issues, so I think the PSU is actually okay for now. At least until I upgrade the extruder.

n2ri, what wires are you talking about? I'm not familiar with this stuff yet, but I do know what the micro switches are. I really appreciate the suggestions, and I will post more pictures tomorrow. This thing is DUSTY. It's pretty gross, some parts look like they've had food spilled on them. Poor girl.

Oh, and about the heating bed, It's able to get up to 90 degrees C just fine, but it does take quite a while. I've seen a lot of people just putting Kapton tape directly onto the bed, is that better?

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

I've gotten a couple printers like that. You can use MEK to clean the frame and heavily diluted acetone/water to clean printed parts...think 80-90% water for this.
That's an old SD2, so I am sure it's seen its fair share of use and abuse.

The thickness of the glass won't take longer for the heater to reach temp, but the surface will take longer to transfer that heat. A 1/8" pane is why I would recommend, but if it works, it works.

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

just follow all wires and check for loose or burned connections even at the plastic connector spots as loose leads to heat and melting/arching on heater circuits and high power loads. often needing connections replaced

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Alright, well quick update: Printing is going okay, I was able to print all of the parts for the spool holder, so no more babysitting the printer. Still having power issues once in a while, I've ordered the new PSU and it should be here this week.

I've started printing parts for the jigsaw replacement extruder, but I've run into a couple issues. it's probably mostly due to the fact that I'm new to printing and I don't know what settings I should use for Slic3r. First off, I get those lines on the sides of my prints, which in that troubleshooting guide it says it could be a couple things. My guess was temperature variation, but watching the temperature I'm not sure that it's varying enough to cause a problem. I'm hoping that this problem will just be resolved with a new PSU and/or extruder.

I've also had some overheating issues with the smaller layers, does anybody know what settings I should change on Slic3r to fix this?

My last question is specifically about the parts for the jigsaw extruder. Will they need to be printed with supports? If so, what settings would you recommend? Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

still need to baby sit your printer. they cause fires

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

pancakesplease wrote:

Alright, well quick update: Printing is going okay, I was able to print all of the parts for the spool holder, so no more babysitting the printer. Still having power issues once in a while, I've ordered the new PSU and it should be here this week.

I've started printing parts for the jigsaw replacement extruder, but I've run into a couple issues. it's probably mostly due to the fact that I'm new to printing and I don't know what settings I should use for Slic3r. First off, I get those lines on the sides of my prints, which in that troubleshooting guide it says it could be a couple things. My guess was temperature variation, but watching the temperature I'm not sure that it's varying enough to cause a problem. I'm hoping that this problem will just be resolved with a new PSU and/or extruder.

I've also had some overheating issues with the smaller layers, does anybody know what settings I should change on Slic3r to fix this?

My last question is specifically about the parts for the jigsaw extruder. Will they need to be printed with supports? If so, what settings would you recommend? Any help is greatly appreciated!


Temperature variation causes the bulging you might be seeing.  I'm not sure how to fix it with the SD2, but start by making sure your PID is tuned.  You can use repetier host to autotune PID and then put the new settings in eeprom.  A new extruder will probably also help, which may require PSU.  Note that some early sanguinolulus shipped with no bootloader, which prevents you from uploading firmware, but there are people online that will send you a new chip with a bootloader for £9 in the UK (not tested, waiting on one myself), or you can burn a bootloader to it yourself.
http://www.soliwiki.com/PID_tuning
https://www.simplify3d.com/support/prin … eshooting/

A fan can help with small layers (can also screw prints up).  There are some for the MK5 extruder, but you fan setup would change once you get E3D, in any case.  I've had some luck with skeinforge for small prints, else you can make many copies of the same print or have some other tower that the extruder builds in order to avoid overheating the plastic.  I think slicr does have facilities for small prints though.  e.g. it has "small perimeters" speed (possibly in "expert mode").  You could lower that in order to allow plastic to cool before putting new plastic down on top.

I recently printed the MK5 extruder assembly, and I believe I did that without supports.  It has one built-in support that you'll cut away after.

SD2 Sanguinololu 1.3a atmega1284p, wood platform, lawsy's carriages, braided fishing line, pallet wood overhead spool mount, carboard/magnet enclosure, glass bed, E3D v6, bed levelling knobs, extended z-stop, 25A DC-DC SSR for bed heater, everything fixed to the SD2 frame, marlin firmware with some adjustments and extra failsafes enabled.  I'll never give up on you, little printer that could(n't)!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Kronikabuse wrote:

still need to baby sit your printer. they cause fires

There is one report that I know of on this forum where a solidoodle cause a major house fire, yes.

SD2 Sanguinololu 1.3a atmega1284p, wood platform, lawsy's carriages, braided fishing line, pallet wood overhead spool mount, carboard/magnet enclosure, glass bed, E3D v6, bed levelling knobs, extended z-stop, 25A DC-DC SSR for bed heater, everything fixed to the SD2 frame, marlin firmware with some adjustments and extra failsafes enabled.  I'll never give up on you, little printer that could(n't)!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

for long/tall prints with ABS you need to inclose printer with plexiglass panels maybe held with the small string magnets like topics on the forum show. this prevents uneven cooling cracks.
My SD2 came with the metal enclosure but I have a charcoal filtered fan and needed more access during prints so I use other ways to block cool air out

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Alright, update time!

I've installed the new PSU, and it seems to be working perfectly. No more flickering lights.

HOWEVER, Y axis motor seems to be malfunctioning now. I don't know what has caused this, because it was working fine the other day. I've tried moving the y carriage with the power off and it seems to move okay, so I don't think that it's an alignment problem. When I try using the motor it makes a horrible buzzing/grinding sound, but none of the rods or belts are turning, it just sits there and budges just a tiny bit. Is the motor broken?

I'll continue doing some research, and start thinking of buying a new motor.

EDIT: Although, if I'm going to buy a new motor, I might as well replace all the carriages and belts anyway, right?? (This printers starting to sound not so much like the amazing deal I thought I got it for anymore XD...)

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

could be as simple as adjusting pots for the motor in your MB there are topics here about that too. the new PSU may be why this needs re-adjusted on any/all motors as they filter/limit power to the motors you can tell by high pitch sounds motors/POT make also. and when you say power down that is not always the same as clicking the 'stop motors' button in RH control panel which basically puts them in neutral so they can be moved by hand freely.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

Well, adjusting the potentiometers changes the pitch of the buzzing sound it's making, and it starts to jitter in some places but I can't seem to find the right spot. Also, I don't know if this is related but pressing the stop motors button does nothing for me, the carriage still doesn't move freely.

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

pancakesplease wrote:

Well, adjusting the potentiometers changes the pitch of the buzzing sound it's making, and it starts to jitter in some places but I can't seem to find the right spot. Also, I don't know if this is related but pressing the stop motors button does nothing for me, the carriage still doesn't move freely.

is the printer connected to RH?

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

If you mean Repetier Host, and if you mean it's just connected by hitting connect then yes. The x and z motors move just fine. I hope I haven't caused a short or something in the board. I have pretty much zero experience in electronics, so I've just been googling my way through this.

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

It's the Y-axis that is malfunctioning, so if you swap plugs between Y and Z axes and see if you can home the problem into the stepper driver or something.  Be careful, of course, since homing axes won't work properly and the motor might spin the wrong way or at the wrong speed. - also it will smash the endstop.  So ... be very careful.  or swap the end stops too. 

Also, do X and Y axes move freely when the printer is off?

SD2 Sanguinololu 1.3a atmega1284p, wood platform, lawsy's carriages, braided fishing line, pallet wood overhead spool mount, carboard/magnet enclosure, glass bed, E3D v6, bed levelling knobs, extended z-stop, 25A DC-DC SSR for bed heater, everything fixed to the SD2 frame, marlin firmware with some adjustments and extra failsafes enabled.  I'll never give up on you, little printer that could(n't)!

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

They move... "freely." Not very smooth, especially the Y carriage. However, the roughness sounds like they are coming from the motors, and when the Y belt isn't engaged with the Y motor it still struggles the same way, so I'm confident that it's not a belt/rod issue. I'll carefully try swapping the plugs when I get home tonight.

EDIT: If the problem persists with the motor that I swap out (whatever one is attached to the Y step controller) then what will that mean? Will I need a whole new board?

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Re: Just bought a used Solidoodle 2, need help troubleshooting issues

did you search this forum for tuning the POTs on mother board for motors after PSU swap? I have not had to yet but sounds like what those topics talked about and is an easy fix. these type motors (like on disc drives and printers too) are odd the way they work by counting steps so they know exactly where they are. and high pitch squeals can be heard when they are not set right or stopped moving. if left that way for long enough either the POT or motor could be damaged. with larger wattage devices using POT or Triac control that damage can be like a shotgun shell exploding, I saw this 1st had on 208volt stage lights once. lucky I lived to laugh about it as did my coworker LOL still remember our ears ringing as we watched the Triac fly off the board out into the convention room floor from back stage about 50 feet. it also made a very short high pitch squeal just b4 launch.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs