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Topic: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

anyone know what the settings circled in red on this screen shot are for and what default should be?

I need to find some way to make the gaps between walls solid. it mostly has about a 1mm gap between perimeters with most colors filament. and I have tried a few changes here but not sure what its for and only seems to work sometimes with some colors.

I have most issues with Neutral (sometimes), Green and sometimes Grey ABS so far. Red and Black have been OK as they seem to ooze more anyway.

I have not found any instructions on these settings anywhere but they do save if you push the OK at lower right and restart RH. and seem to go into Gcode or at least used by Gcode when printing. but I need more info as to how to use this (if it can do this) to extrude more filament on runs so it closes gaps in walls on filament being used. then thin it on filaments that ooze too much like posted above. Thanks!

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

Those are simply the manual extrude distance and speed settings.  They have absolutely no impact on your G-code nor will they change anything mid print.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

n2ri wrote:

anyone know what the settings circled in red on this screen shot are for and what default should be?

I need to find some way to make the gaps between walls solid. it mostly has about a 1mm gap between perimeters with most colors filament. and I have tried a few changes here but not sure what its for and only seems to work sometimes with some colors.

I have most issues with Neutral (sometimes), Green and sometimes Grey ABS so far. Red and Black have been OK as they seem to ooze more anyway.

I have not found any instructions on these settings anywhere but they do save if you push the OK at lower right and restart RH. and seem to go into Gcode or at least used by Gcode when printing. but I need more info as to how to use this (if it can do this) to extrude more filament on runs so it closes gaps in walls on filament being used. then thin it on filaments that ooze too much like posted above. Thanks!


Have you tried changing your flowrate to 101 or 102? Also in your slicer what is your extrusion width set for?

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

carl_m1968 wrote:
n2ri wrote:

anyone know what the settings circled in red on this screen shot are for and what default should be?

I need to find some way to make the gaps between walls solid. it mostly has about a 1mm gap between perimeters with most colors filament. and I have tried a few changes here but not sure what its for and only seems to work sometimes with some colors.

I have most issues with Neutral (sometimes), Green and sometimes Grey ABS so far. Red and Black have been OK as they seem to ooze more anyway.

I have not found any instructions on these settings anywhere but they do save if you push the OK at lower right and restart RH. and seem to go into Gcode or at least used by Gcode when printing. but I need more info as to how to use this (if it can do this) to extrude more filament on runs so it closes gaps in walls on filament being used. then thin it on filaments that ooze too much like posted above. Thanks!


Have you tried changing your flowrate to 101 or 102? Also in your slicer what is your extrusion width set for?

yes and other settings between. and I have done the test cube and mine comes out perfect on all sides for my .35mm nozzle at .42, yet still have the non-solid layers which show up bad on top layers which are set as solid for 5 bottom and 7-8 top layers. this looks bad on my N scale models/prints of vehicles on a few of the filament colors which seem to do worse at it. to the point I have stopped printing them. printer has been sitting idle for weeks its very disapointing.

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5 (edited by n2ri 2015-08-04 16:55:16)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

slicer filament settings show width set at 1.68mm multiplier 0.7 for 1.75mm filament

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6 (edited by IronMan 2015-08-04 17:21:33)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

n2ri wrote:

slicer filament settings show width set at 1.68mm multiplier 0.7 for 1.75mm filament

Are you recalibrating for every different filament?  Measure the filament diameter at several different points and enter the average diameter; then with extrusion multiplier set to 1, print a single walled cube.  Dial in with the Ext Multiplier to adjust and get to a 0.42 wall thickness...

If you switch filaments a lot, you can write down the settings for each on the outside of the spool with a Sharpie for future reference.

EDIT:  BTW, 0.7 seems awfully low for a multiplier...

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wardjr wrote:

Those are simply the manual extrude distance and speed settings.  They have absolutely no impact on your G-code nor will they change anything mid print.

what is default for these settings?

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I don't know that defaults apply here but 50-100 mm per second is well within the acceptable range for speed.  Distance depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  For E steps calibration you woul set extrude distance to 100 and then see if it actually pulls 100 mm of filament.  For retraction you might use that for changing filament and set it around 40 or 50.  Of course most of us just release the tension arm and pull it out.
I have to ask, you've been around for a while.  How is it possible to calibrate your printer with out understanding and using those controls?
I even use them to adjust the E VREF.

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9 (edited by n2ri 2015-08-05 03:40:42)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

wardjr wrote:

I don't know that defaults apply here but 50-100 mm per second is well within the acceptable range for speed.  Distance depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  For E steps calibration you woul set extrude distance to 100 and then see if it actually pulls 100 mm of filament.  For retraction you might use that for changing filament and set it around 40 or 50.  Of course most of us just release the tension arm and pull it out.
I have to ask, you've been around for a while.  How is it possible to calibrate your printer with out understanding and using those controls?
I even use them to adjust the E VREF.

nothing has ever been said about these 2 settings on here or the manufacturer sites. lots about Slicer settings but not these RH settings I circled in red in pic posted. the extrude/retract tell what manual steps are yes but no info on how/why they are related to the speed control in same group of controls as if related to how much it extrudes while moving.

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10 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-08-05 03:43:20)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

Those are supposed be used to change those settings mid print. However due to the FIFO buffer on a streaming print there will be about a 6 to 10 second delay from the time you make the adjustment till the time ot actually starts showing in the print. So they are in sorts useless since the issie you may want to correct will happen for 6 seconds minimum.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

carl_m1968 wrote:

Those are supposed be used to change those settings mid print. However due to the FIFO buffer on a streaming print there will be about a 6 to 10 second delay from the time you make the adjustment till the time ot actually starts showing in the print. So they are in sorts useless since the issie you may want to correct will happen for 6 seconds minimum.

I guess that is news to me, on mine they can be at any setting with no change mid print.  Maybe I'll have to do some intentional testing to verify but I know I've run with those at both extremes with no change.  I know the flow and feed rates change with some delay.

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The Flow and speed settings work just fine during the print. 

I used to crank up the flow occasionally when I wanted a thicker extrusion in a particular spot.  I used to do this usually for the first layer (I would set it to about 110-115) to get a nice thick, gap free layer.

The feed rate I would use it occasionally to either slow down the print in a certain area, or speed it up if quality was not a major concern.

They work , more or less, in real time, and as carl mentioned, there is a delay, it depends on the buffer, and how much data is in there already that needs to be processed before it gets to the new commands.

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13 (edited by IronMan 2015-08-05 20:33:38)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

I think we're talking about two separate things here...yes, the print feed and flow rate sliders do work mid-print; the extrusion / retraction distance and speed that the OP originally questioned does NOT affect anything mid-print.

n2ri, you still need to check that 0.7 extrusion multiplier...it does not seem right.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

IronMan wrote:

I think we're talking about two separate things here...yes, the print feed and flow rate sliders do work mid-print; the extrusion / retraction distance and speed that the OP originally questioned does NOT affect anything mid-print.

n2ri, you still need to check that 0.7 extrusion multiplier...it does not seem right.

^ Exactly,  maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post.  Thank you IronMan for clarifying.

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been trying those slicer filament settings with the dif color was using which is more 1.77mm average and 4th test cube is now down from 1.0 to .85 and still not quite .42mm thick walls, closer to .52mm still. but it must be saved in a new file in filament section of slicer by filament ID seems for each slicer setting and it shows in  G-code of print. so changing filament/color requires new G-code sliced also. looks like my Slic3r settings are gonna multiply like rabbits in my drop down menu LOL

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16 (edited by n2ri 2015-08-06 04:11:45)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

the old .7 setting was where Solidoodle set it, maybe due to extruder motor steps being odd from normal? it worked ok with Neutral til close to end of roll then started leaving gaps in walls

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

all controls during print delay for buffer depending on print job size, even Kill job

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

n2ri wrote:

the old .7 setting was where Solidoodle set it, maybe due to extruder motor steps being odd from normal? it worked ok with Neutral til close to end of roll then started leaving gaps in walls


If you started see gaps towards the end of a roll that suggest a humidity problem. Those gaps are being caused by steam voids.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

carl_m1968 wrote:
n2ri wrote:

anyone know what the settings circled in red on this screen shot are for and what default should be?

I need to find some way to make the gaps between walls solid. it mostly has about a 1mm gap between perimeters with most colors filament. and I have tried a few changes here but not sure what its for and only seems to work sometimes with some colors.

I have most issues with Neutral (sometimes), Green and sometimes Grey ABS so far. Red and Black have been OK as they seem to ooze more anyway.

I have not found any instructions on these settings anywhere but they do save if you push the OK at lower right and restart RH. and seem to go into Gcode or at least used by Gcode when printing. but I need more info as to how to use this (if it can do this) to extrude more filament on runs so it closes gaps in walls on filament being used. then thin it on filaments that ooze too much like posted above. Thanks!


Have you tried changing your flowrate to 101 or 102? Also in your slicer what is your extrusion width set for?


all extrusion widths set at .42mm always but seems many things change in filament rolls based on manufacturer, color, ambient climate and different spots in same roll can vary in thickness besides mechanical slips or snags in feed if filament gets stuck on something etc.

and I have changed flow rate/speed on these manual settings from 100-112 and extrude from 10-12 but little differance Slic3r settings are more accurate for this I think. I had to slow most speed settings in Slic3r under 50 due to tiny/thin prints ripping loose too easy. better to take longer to print than never finishing and wasting time/material. plus I'm retied not doing peice work pay timing on prints. ;^)

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20 (edited by grob 2015-08-06 05:20:03)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

n2ri wrote:

and I have changed flow rate/speed on these manual settings from 100-112 and extrude from 10-12 but little differance Slic3r settings are more accurate for this I think.

I hope we haven't confused you! Try not to get too in depth just yet: these are not settings, they are manual controls. The numbers you put in here only affect the manual extrusion when you press the arrow buttons. They will not affect anything during printing.

Try it out:
(0) Ensure the hot-end is off the bed (lower the bed a little)
(1) Heat the extruder up to printing temperature
(2) Set the manual extrusion rate to 50 mm/min (in the box in the red circled area)
(3) Set "extrude" to 10 mm or so (in the box in the red circled area)
(4) Click the arrow button next to the "extrude" box (in the red circled area)
(5) Watch 10 mm of filament run through your extruder at 50 mm/min

This is useful for loading and unloading filament, and when calibrating your extruder steps-per-mm.

You can use the "flow rate" slider (while printing), or the extrusions settings in slic3r (when slicing) to fine-tune extrusion for prints.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

grob wrote:
n2ri wrote:

and I have changed flow rate/speed on these manual settings from 100-112 and extrude from 10-12 but little differance Slic3r settings are more accurate for this I think.

I hope we haven't confused you! Try not to get too in depth just yet: these are not settings, they are manual controls. The numbers you put in here only affect the manual extrusion when you press the arrow buttons. They will not affect anything during printing.

Try it out:
(0) Ensure the hot-end is off the bed (lower the bed a little)
(1) Heat the extruder up to printing temperature
(2) Set the manual extrusion rate to 50 mm/min (in the box in the red circled area)
(3) Set "extrude" to 10 mm or so (in the box in the red circled area)
(4) Click the arrow button next to the "extrude" box (in the red circled area)
(5) Watch 10 mm of filament run through your extruder at 50 mm/min

This is useful for loading and unloading filament, and when calibrating your extruder steps-per-mm.

You can use the "flow rate" slider (while printing), or the extrusions settings in slic3r (when slicing) to fine-tune extrusion for prints.


OK, Thanks for clearing this up.

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now I just need to figure how to calibrate Slic3r settings so it extrudes correctly for test cube as well as not leaving gaps between perimeter walls. so I can create a filament setting for each roll I use. after 6 tests I am still too thick on test cube using 1.77mm Dia at .7 multiplier getting .51mm walls with the med Green Shields made me. my Neutral SD roll test cube was .42mm but started leaving the gaps between walls towards end of roll and I didnt re-measure that roll to see if it changed but likely.

test number 7 prepped remeasured filament and now its average 1.75mm and trying multiplier of .66

maybe I need to find just what formula to use to find desired flow to get width I need. cause I cant get any math to work and come up with results I am getting with settings.

the OP settings worked for the Neutral filament roll for all but last couple wraps. seems I am missing something or doing it wrong. cant be this hard to find.

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Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

It sounds to me like you need to calibrate your steps per mm on your extruder. Have you confirmed that if you ask for 100mm to be extruded that it actually takes in 100mm. Remember to measure the input, not the output. I have never needed to change my flow rate from 1.00 regardless of filament or nozzle. If you are needing to back off to .66 then you have serious calibration issues.

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well when I done some jobs on 3dhubs it slic3r and showed same cubic cm as 3dhubs said and printed good. will have to recheck.

how do I calibrate that? never done any firmware stuff b4

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25 (edited by n2ri 2015-08-06 20:14:50)

Re: RH manual Control flow settings for SD2?

100mm input is a lot of filament, how do I do that? thats a full meter, nearly 4 feet meaning many times that in extruded filament

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