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OSPrinting wrote:

Exruders  and injection mold machines use magnets to prevent metal from getting to the nozzle. A mesh would work but maybe some small rare earth magnets would help. Also, a wire bore brush might help remove the crap from the main pipe. They are like 4-5 bucks on mcmmaster.

Yeah, that is interesting. I have some rare earth magnets from a HD. I'll try them once I get some clear.

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elmoret wrote:
OSPrinting wrote:

Exruders  and injection mold machines use magnets to prevent metal from getting to the nozzle. A mesh would work but maybe some small rare earth magnets would help. Also, a wire bore brush might help remove the crap from the main pipe. They are like 4-5 bucks on mcmmaster.

Yeah, that is interesting. I have some rare earth magnets from a HD. I'll try them once I get some clear.


I do want to know if this will work or not.  I will try to pick a few up this week.  My only concern is if it will be strong enough to actually pull material through a viscous material like molten ABS.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Here is what I have been working on all weekend- http://solidoodletips.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/img_5925.jpg It's working pretty well so far.  I need to fuss with the nozzle some more.  I want to set a larger die size, and use the rollers the stretch it down to the right diameter.  I ordered another 5 hex plugs because I keep messing them up.  Also I think the gear needs teeth, the friction isn't quite consistent enough.   Does anyone have advice on how to make proper gears?

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IanJohnson wrote:

Does anyone have advice on how to make proper gears?


what kind of gear are you trying to make? I am assuming your printing these?

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Cool!

You could use the herringbone gears from the Wades extruder files on thingiverse, and scale them as you need. There's parametric versions too, if you have OpenScad.

Ian, a couple questions -

I see you're still using the v1 design. Do you want me to mail you an 8" nipple?
Are you seeing any contamination?
How consistent is the spooled filament?

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It should be more consistent with a gear,  maybe   .08 as is.   The clear is still a bit milky but doesn't seem contaminated.   It's rough textured but I think that is and issue with the nozzle.   I have 5 more plugs coming so I can work that out.   I'll take you up on that 8" nipple since I can't get them without the bead on the inside.

482 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-21 23:02:06)

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Gears:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1336

More pictures if you have time, closeups of the winder and filament would be great! What nozzle design did you settle on? Are you using sensing switches?

483 (edited by DePartedPrinter 2013-01-21 23:12:36)

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elmoret wrote:

More pictures if you have time, closeups of the winder and filament would be great!


I am interesting in seeing some closeups as well.

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Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:
OSPrinting wrote:

Exruders  and injection mold machines use magnets to prevent metal from getting to the nozzle. A mesh would work but maybe some small rare earth magnets would help. Also, a wire bore brush might help remove the crap from the main pipe. They are like 4-5 bucks on mcmmaster.

Yeah, that is interesting. I have some rare earth magnets from a HD. I'll try them once I get some clear.


I do want to know if this will work or not.  I will try to pick a few up this week.  My only concern is if it will be strong enough to actually pull material through a viscous material like molten ABS.

When I worked in a transmission re manufacturing plant, the drain plug on some honda (or toyotas I dont remember) had a magnet on the end. That way all the metal and crud stopped there. For the extruder, you would just have to clean the magnet every now and then. If it was pressed into the brass nozzle, that would be easier to manage.

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OSPrinting wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Yeah, that is interesting. I have some rare earth magnets from a HD. I'll try them once I get some clear.


I do want to know if this will work or not.  I will try to pick a few up this week.  My only concern is if it will be strong enough to actually pull material through a viscous material like molten ABS.

When I worked in a transmission re manufacturing plant, the drain plug on some honda (or toyotas I dont remember) had a magnet on the end. That way all the metal and crud stopped there. For the extruder, you would just have to clean the magnet every now and then. If it was pressed into the brass nozzle, that would be easier to manage.

In my experience the brass plug was virtually impossible to remove for easy access if you had to clean a magnet.

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Filastruder
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Yeah, it's REALLY tough to remove the nozzle. I've not yet been able to do it. It's tougher than an extruder nozzle for a couple reasons:

- The internal pressure is higher.
- The threads are larger in diameter. If you assume the cooked plastic in the threads has the same frictional force, the larger the threads, the more torque needed to remove the fastener, or plug in this case.

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elmoret wrote:

Yeah, it's REALLY tough to remove the nozzle. I've not yet been able to do it. It's tougher than an extruder nozzle for a couple reasons:

- The internal pressure is higher.
- The threads are larger in diameter. If you assume the cooked plastic in the threads has the same frictional force, the larger the threads, the more torque needed to remove the fastener, or plug in this case.

My first nozzle was never on tight enough so plastic worked its way around the whole thing. Pretty sure this glued it in place.

A strong magnet on the outside seems like it might be more simple. Where are you planning to put yours?

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Both on the outside, one before the melt zone where the pellets are still solid, one in the melt zone, next to the heater.

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I don't have much trouble removing nozzles.  I do it with the heater on so the plastic is melted, and use a long pipe wrench.  The pipe wrench is handy for taking off the nipple as well.  Once the nozzle is off I shut off the heat and then begin pulling out plastic with tweezers.  As it cools and becomes more viscous, the plastic pulls out clean and snaps back.  This way I don't end up with a bunch of plastic in the threads making it possible to get the nozzle back on.

490 (edited by iowacattails 2013-01-22 07:46:57)

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I built a filament maker that looks mostly like the picture in post 326 using 2 flanges with 1/4 bolts and stainless spacers to maintain parallelism for thrust bearing alignment. forward flange  faces forward with one standard hardware store black pipe nipple (the kind with the ugly seam running up the inside).The auger centers perfectly and there is no metal contaminants (48 hours continuous so far) . My hopper is a 1-1/4 pvc tee plugged at the end with a pvc reducer (I.D. Reamed a bit) to fit the O.D of the black pipe nipple (tee held against flange with a hose clamp..not shown at time of picture evidenced by some pellets escaping at front bottom).The 2.5 liter pop bottle reservoir is cut to slide over the pvc tee. Running  my PID at 190 with a 1/16 hole (couldnt source#52 drill bit ) and my ABS filament is right on at 1.75 mm with fan blowing on filament at exit. Filament feeds over a brass cartridge that is spaced just down from the centerline of the nozzle and the arc causes the filament to self-coil  in a radius that  looks tight enough to fit into a 5 gallon bucket (that i will try as soon as i find one). Tried the filament tonight and it  prints perfectly in my brothers SD. Parts were right at $60 (already had several PID's and shaft collars) with lots of scrounging and deal shopping off ebay and Amazon .I can make a BOM if anyones wants. Got the pellets from ebay user carlsievering for $3.75 per pound shipped. Very happy with all the posts and fresh ideas here. Thanks!

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What motor did you use?

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iowacattails,

The 5gal bucket idea did not work to good for me, let me know if you have better luck.

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Just stumbled across your project as I  was planning on doing the same as you, also using an auger bit!
(some SDS masonry drills look OK for larger extruders).
Just for info: The usual Industrial extrusion setup pulls things through a sizing die a short distance from the nozzle. after the sizing die is usually a water bath and then there is a haul-off that uses two rubber belts.

Neodynium magnets demagnetise at about 100C so they wouldn't be any good in molten plastic, however they could be useful in the granule hopper.

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100c? Most I've seen puts the Curie temperature of Nd2Fe14B at 300-400C.

495 (edited by Markx 2013-01-22 16:24:02)

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"...Neodymium Iron Boron magnets are sensitive to heat.  If a magnet heated above its maximum operating temperature (176°F (80°C) for standard N grades) the magnet will permanently lose a fraction of its magnetic strength.  If they are heated above their Curie temperature (590°F (310°C) for standard N grades), they will lose all of their magnetic properties."

I have used them to retain stripper plates in plastic injection moulds and they stopped working when the moulds heated up. I suppose they were also subjected to shocks while hot so maybe that's what did it.


Something about ABS:     it is available in all sorts of viscosities (MFI - melt flow index) so some types are runnier than others.

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Preface: I knew nearly nothing of magnets before making this post.

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=t … um-magnets

So, it's related to the shape of the magnet, and its material. It looks like there are some grades/shapes that have no loss of magnetism until over 150C, at which point they begin to have permanent loss. Interesting stuff.

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Can anyone tell me where they think the metal coming from. If the 5/8 bit is .625" and the nipple is approx .635/.645  there is minimally .005" clearance both sides. Is it only from mis-alignment? Are there pipe nipples out there with closer tolerances? On the machines that use 2 nipples supported by back-to-back pipe flanges aligning properly with each other?

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iowacattails wrote:

Can anyone tell me where they think the metal coming from. If the 5/8 bit is .625" and the nipple is approx .635/.645  there is minimally .005" clearance both sides. Is it only from mis-alignment? Are there pipe nipples out there with closer tolerances? On the machines that use 2 nipples supported by back-to-back pipe flanges aligning properly with each other?


http://www.soliforum.com/topic/557/fila … t/page/19/

post 465

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499 (edited by elmoret 2013-01-22 22:48:46)

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Got another motor in today to test. It's quieter - about 5-8dB by my measurements, but also the sound it makes is a lot lower pitch, so less piercing and annoying in my opinion. It also seems beefier in general. Gonna run it for the night and see how it fares. RPM and extrusion rate are about the same as the original motor.

All these motors get my hopes up because they're nearly silent at no load, but fully loaded they get loud. I like this motor though because the running torque seems to be plenty, but the stall torque is less, so the motor won't turn the nipple if the plastic isn't full warmed up - it just sits, stalled.

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iowacattails wrote:

Can anyone tell me where they think the metal coming from. If the 5/8 bit is .625" and the nipple is approx .635/.645  there is minimally .005" clearance both sides. Is it only from mis-alignment? Are there pipe nipples out there with closer tolerances? On the machines that use 2 nipples supported by back-to-back pipe flanges aligning properly with each other?

I'm not sure either. Here's what I know so far:

Myself - saw contaminant once, when using the version 1 with two flanges in the middle. Never have run clear pellets. Roughly 10kg extruded.
DeParted - has seen quite a bit of contaminant, in both version 1 and version 2. Runs clear pellets. Unknown total extruded.
Ian - Has run natural and clear pellets. No comments of contaminant in version 1, has not run version 2 yet.
Nick - No comments of contaminant in version 1, still waiting on version 2.

I don't know of anyone else that has run their Filastruder yet.