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Topic: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Title says it all.  I am thinking of going for it.  Yes, it's like putting a Ferrari engine into a ford pinto but people have done stranger things to their printer.  I would be interested in hearing your experiences.  Thanks.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

I bought one with that intention, I planned to drive a Chimera/Cyclops build with it on my SD3, but changed my mind and am going down the RAMPS path (I had one unused just begging for some action!)

The Smoothieboard will go on the next 'bot, planning a big ol' Kossel. It'll finally make use of the Makerslide from that Kickstarter  'way back when.

Don: Folger Tech 2020 Kossel Rev A + Borosilicate + Snow Effector
        Davinci 1.0 + Repetier : Filastruder
        SD3 + RAMPS + Lawsy Carriages + E3D + Borosilicate + ... : Cupcake

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I've got one in a box too. They're not much more expensive than a Rumba in the end. Should work well, the config is pretty easy and it wires up pretty much the same as a Rumba (which is what I'm running right now). I'll probably still run it via octoprint, so I can avoid the currently sketchy SD card and ethernet support from smoothieware... smile

Honestly, I'm not sure whether it will represent much of a step forward, but definitely will be the board that ends up on printer 2 (currently very much a concept!).

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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I got mine to drive the core xy build I'm working on. I thought about sticking on the SD2 just for testing, but decided I didn't want to spend the time it would take to fool with it since I also need the SD2 to print parts for the core xy :-).

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Why not build a new printer with a larger printer area and use it for that. That's my plan anyhow. I'm still deciding how I'm going to construct the frame right now and axis movement.

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That's what I'm doing, go look over in the projects forum.  I would link but I'm on my phone.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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I've done some more research on the smoothie and I've got a few questions in anyone can help.  I posted this over on the smoothie forum on their site but I don't think too many people go there.  I might try /r/reprap if no one here knows.

1.  Is there any way to get 32X microstepping? I really want this on my extruder motor, it produces noticably better results and less moire than 16X. Using an external driver at this point is pretty far out of my comfort zone, I have no idea how to go about this. I use DRV8825's on the RUMBA and they are great. Can I get 32X without going to an external driver?  Or would it be easier to go to a 0.9 degree stepper and would this produce similar results to 32x micro stepping on a 1.8 degree stepper?

2.  I Is it possible to get a smoothie board running on my printer without any soldering if I order the 5 XC? I am particularly confused about the mosfets power input. I surely do not want to run a line from the PSU to each mosfet power input, so can I just use jumpers to bring the power in? Will the XC version already have the pins on JP28, JP11 and JP27? Does it come with jumpers that fit? Am I even making sense? Also, can the E3D V6 hot end be run off the small mosfet? It has a 25w heater cartridge.

3.  Running an AC heated bed with an SSR. This schematic is still listed as to do on the guide page. I'm pretty lost on connecting to a GPIO pin. Why not just connect it to a mosfet out that I would use to run a lower power DC heated bed and let the SSR do its thing to switch on the AC when needed? But if changing the config file is as easy as claimed, I can probably figure it out.  Is there anyone who could do a quick sketch of their wiring if you are running an AC heated bed from a smoothie?

4.  Is there logic built into smoothie ware to run my fans only when the printer is actually printing? I don't want to just wire them directly into any 12v source because then my printer is loud all the time, not just when printing.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

1. 1/32 microstepping:
* Not with the built-in drivers, they're allegros and only go down to 1/16.
* 0.9 degree stepper works well, but remember they're larger and heavier for the same torque rating, so expect some additional mass!
* I understand an external stepper driver may seem daunting, but maybe keep it in mind for the future as you learn more. Probably the cheapest way is to use a DRV8825 pololu module, and make up a daughter board for it (using prototyping board). If you research the connections to the pololu module, what they do, and find the step/direction/enable outputs on the smoothieboard, it will start to make sense... smile Otherwise, for a cost, there are packaged stepper-driver modules on eBay - you want 2A+ current, and at least 32X microstepping, but expect this to be $30 instead of $5.

2. No soldering:
* 5XC comes with most of the connectors already soldered in, I think it would be enough to get started at least. I soldered my own (5X), but the heat-management of the pads is so good it's actually quite a pain to DIY. If you want to add something like a breakout board for external stepper driver, then you'll likely need to solder in a few headers yourself.
* Again, don't be afraid of soldering. You need three tools: a plug-in mains soldering iron ($20), a reel of regular ordinary solder ($5) and one of those solder-sucker tools ($5-$10), and you're on the way to learning a whole new extremely useful skill! Practice on less expensive boards first (a small kit from the electronics shop while you're there is often a good start, and there will be a million youtube videos on the practice of soldering...).

3. AC bed connection:
* Using the mosfet output to control the SSR works fine. Match up + and - on the output and the relay and it will work fine. The only downside is it's a bit of a waste of a power mosfet!
* It's pretty easy to change the pin in smoothie config, so you might prefer to do this too. Up to you!

4. Fan config:
* Yup - all sorts of ways! You can create a 'switch' in smoothie config that does anything, with any gcode you like. For a fan like you suggest, you can create a switch that turns the fan on and off with spare m-codes, and add these to your start/end gcode in slicer / cura etc. I think they can even do PWM without much effort - just copy the default config's definition for the nozzle fan! For an actively-cooled hotend, there's also a "temperatureswitch" which can turn the fan on and off automatically based on the hotend temperature.
* Have a read through this: http://smoothieware.org/configuration-options
* Have a read through the example config file, this helps the above make more sense: https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothi … ard/config

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Thanks Grob for all the great info!  Now all I need is about a week off work to focus on all my projects...

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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mdrVB6 wrote:

Thanks Grob for all the great info!  Now all I need is about a week off work to focus on all my projects...

Hear Hear!

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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I actually just installed an Azteeg X5 mini ( it runs on smoothie firmware, and had just the output i needed for my SD3) on my solidoodle SD3 a couple month ago. I did it because it wasn't very expensive, and it is straight forward to config it. The nice thing is that the Azteeg X5 comes with 1/32 drivers, and honestly, it wasn't much to fit it in. It took me a good 1 hr, most of it was researching info about it ! And setting the step / rev and accelerations was a breeze.

Everything is done in the config file, it is super easy !!

The nice feature is that now my solidoodle is fully autonomous, with a beautiful graphic screen and Sd card reader ! It is pretty cool to have a knob and a screen to control the printer, and a nice display to show you  what's going on. Now my solidoodle is "smart" and proudly wireless ! (with an octopi to upload files wirelessly by the way, just because I happen  to have a raspberry laying around ! Who doesn't ?? :-D)

SD3, early 2013. Silicon 200W 8x8 heater bed, lawsy carriage on 8 mm hardened chrome shafts, E3D V6 and lawsy MK5 extruder, ATX 350 W PSU, Custom build plywood enclosure, azteeg x5 mini smothie firmware, with vikki 2 screen, fishing line conversion and pulley conversion, M5 Z rod. Calling it Gran'ma, going strong ! <3

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Would this board work/be any good for a SD3?  According to tech support my original board is defunct; they are out of stock on new ones (have been for a while) and I want to start again!

http://www.geeetech.com/reprap-assemble … p-649.html

If it is good or OK - can you point me towards installation help?

Thanks

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Geeetech is known for solder issues and sub par parts.

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Thanks, probably accounts for the low low price!

Any suggestions for a know-nothing newbie?

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Check out Panucatt devices. Very good quality and you get what you pay for. Also not clones but all original designs.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Yup, I got mine out of panucatt, very fast shipping and very good quality.

When you get started to replace the board, take your time, and google is your friend. You'll have to rewire all motors to the new board, and wire color are to be followed. the end switch, you'll find some help on the pdf file of panucat, and thermistors and extruder are straight forward. You can set your steppers at 1/16 or 1/32 with the jumpers that are provided.

Once everything is correctly plugged, load the smoothie firmware and check your motor rotation, after that you can play with the config file to adjust it to your setup.

The best starting point will be to take the step/rev and accelerations from your old board, the only thing you'll have to play with will be the trim pot, that are digital on this board so you need to modify the config file to adjust the trim pot.

it takes a little while to find the right settings, once your done, you set your sensors, you autotune your extruder, and voila !

SD3, early 2013. Silicon 200W 8x8 heater bed, lawsy carriage on 8 mm hardened chrome shafts, E3D V6 and lawsy MK5 extruder, ATX 350 W PSU, Custom build plywood enclosure, azteeg x5 mini smothie firmware, with vikki 2 screen, fishing line conversion and pulley conversion, M5 Z rod. Calling it Gran'ma, going strong ! <3

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

bnj wrote:

Yup, I got mine out of panucatt, very fast shipping and very good quality.

When you get started to replace the board, take your time, and google is your friend. You'll have to rewire all motors to the new board, and wire color are to be followed. the end switch, you'll find some help on the pdf file of panucat, and thermistors and extruder are straight forward. You can set your steppers at 1/16 or 1/32 with the jumpers that are provided.

Once everything is correctly plugged, load the smoothie firmware and check your motor rotation, after that you can play with the config file to adjust it to your setup.

The best starting point will be to take the step/rev and accelerations from your old board, the only thing you'll have to play with will be the trim pot, that are digital on this board so you need to modify the config file to adjust the trim pot.

it takes a little while to find the right settings, once your done, you set your sensors, you autotune your extruder, and voila !

Easy for you to say!!!!!!!!  LOL

Thanks for the info - I will consider it.  I was really hoping for a drop-in replacement but unless it comes from SD I guess that won't happen.

I think we are talking about the X3 here?  I saw that one recommended elsewhere.  What about a power supply?

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

I'm talking about the Azteeg x5 mini,

For a power supply, I just did  the standard ATX PSU modificatio, with a switch and a pin to the raspberry to power on and off my printer remotely.

there will be no drop in replacement like you say, unless you stay in OEM. you'll always have to flash a firmware and calibrate your board for your machine.

I saw the x3 as well, looks like a good little warrior, but I would consider the Ramps as well for the easier documentation to get.

There is a lot of people on this forum that dropped the ramps on the SD2 and 3, so lot of litterature to help you doing the same.

SD3, early 2013. Silicon 200W 8x8 heater bed, lawsy carriage on 8 mm hardened chrome shafts, E3D V6 and lawsy MK5 extruder, ATX 350 W PSU, Custom build plywood enclosure, azteeg x5 mini smothie firmware, with vikki 2 screen, fishing line conversion and pulley conversion, M5 Z rod. Calling it Gran'ma, going strong ! <3

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Hey jeff, if you're looking to have a plug and play replacement, I do still have my sanguinololu v1.3a, all stock OEM from my SD3.

Don't know which board you're running now, mine might be an older version, but it is all set for my sd3, so at least you'll have a good starting point.

SD3, early 2013. Silicon 200W 8x8 heater bed, lawsy carriage on 8 mm hardened chrome shafts, E3D V6 and lawsy MK5 extruder, ATX 350 W PSU, Custom build plywood enclosure, azteeg x5 mini smothie firmware, with vikki 2 screen, fishing line conversion and pulley conversion, M5 Z rod. Calling it Gran'ma, going strong ! <3

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

I have the original board in mine - picture attached.  I am still so new at this and have serious misgivings about trying to adapt another board to the SD3.

What do you want for yours?

http://soliforum.com/i/?P72ljq4.jpg

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

That's the exact same board he has for sale.

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

What are the advantages of using something like the Azteeg, and why is it called a smoothy?

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I confirm this is the exact same board !! Sorry, I replied to your PM before checking this thread.

Advantages of the Azteeg, well... It is a 32 bit controler, and running the smoothie firmware. I installed it by challenge mainly, and as well for future software upgrade, and software mods and hacks...

now azteeg x5 is called a smoothie for all that : 32 bit controler, and smoothie firmware.

The azteeg x3 can run marlin or repetier, it is just like a ramps.

Hope it helps you to understand.

SD3, early 2013. Silicon 200W 8x8 heater bed, lawsy carriage on 8 mm hardened chrome shafts, E3D V6 and lawsy MK5 extruder, ATX 350 W PSU, Custom build plywood enclosure, azteeg x5 mini smothie firmware, with vikki 2 screen, fishing line conversion and pulley conversion, M5 Z rod. Calling it Gran'ma, going strong ! <3

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Marlin must be a slicer or the main software like Repetier - I have no idea what a ramps is
My education on this stuff has just started! big_smile

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Re: Has anyone put a smoothie board on a solidoodle?

Marlin is firmware
Ramps is a controller board

Repetier is both a firmware and a host interface, so you kinda need to specify on that one... wink

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