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Topic: Solidoodle Support Issues

I've pretty much given up on Solidoodle support. I've worked with lots of products and lots of new companies and I've never had such a terrible customer support experience as I have had with Solidoodle.

About a month ago, my nozzle stopped extruding.

Sent an email to Solidoodle support. They went through the usual asking me if I've followed the directions for clearing a clog. Fine. I went through the process and confirmed that this is one of the apparently "rare" nozzle clogs.

SD support "Joel" asked me my extruder and bed temps. I sent them in.

Then, 2 days later SD support "John" sent me an email IDENTICAL to "Joel"'s email, again asking me my extruder and bed temps (clearly another copy paste reply where they didn't even bother to read the email history).

Eventually, I received a merchandise return form. After some time, "Joel" said that they received the hotend and that he was going to prepare an order for the replacement. He indicated that the order was in the queue and would be sent by the end of the week (end of week was 2 days ago).

THEN I get an email from John with a merchandise return form, telling me to send them the hotend that I had already sent, that that they have already inspected and that they indicated that they would replace.... Again, they didn't even bother to read the email history, instead they just copy-paste responses.

Finally I get an email telling me that the hotend somehow had defective thermal paste (?).

When I ask if they're going to send me a new one, "John" tells me that they "should be sending me a new one"..... No info is available on the customer service site ( I can't even see my own order history).

It's now been a month since my SD3 stopped working due to Solidoodle's own manufacturing defects. Getting answers out of these guys is like pulling teeth.

I had to post this because I feel I've been patient up until now. I'm not going to hound SD customer service with emails, holding their hands through a simple return process. Instead I'm waiting for them to honor their service commitment (eventually), after which I'm finding alternate sources for parts. I've already recommended to a few friends interested in 3D printing to get their printers elsewhere.

The Solidoodle is a good product. If Solidoodle (the company) wants to survive and grow, they really need to work on their customer service experience.

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markulus wrote:

I've pretty much given up on Solidoodle support. I've worked with lots of products and lots of new companies and I've never had such a terrible customer support experience as I have had with Solidoodle.

I sorry you've had a bad time. We try about our best.

markulus wrote:


About a month ago, my nozzle stopped extruding.

Sent an email to Solidoodle support. They went through the usual asking me if I've followed the directions for clearing a clog. Fine. I went through the process and confirmed that this is one of the apparently "rare" nozzle clogs.

Clogs are frustrating. There isn't much we can do to alleviate that. If you look, you will find customers on this forum having the same issues, and the same level of frustration. There isn't a one stop catch all solution for everyone. The wider industry is moving towards cheaper hot ends that can simply be tossed for this reason.

markulus wrote:


SD support "Joel" asked me my extruder and bed temps. I sent them in.

Then, 2 days later SD support "John" sent me an email IDENTICAL to "Joel"'s email, again asking me my extruder and bed temps (clearly another copy paste reply where they didn't even bother to read the email history).

Sometimes we ask the same questions twice. You would be surprised how many times we get different answers the second time around. A large number of complaints spontaneously resolve themselves, or change over time.

I have written this elsewhere, but I may reiterate:
Most first time support contacts will be taken care of by Joel
People having further troubles will be taken care of by me.

There is a high probability I will ask you the same questions Joel does. Again, you would be very surprised how often you ask the same question twice and get different answers. It pays to be extremely thorough. I read *all* customer e-mails. Not just the ones I reply to.

markulus wrote:

Eventually, I received a merchandise return form. After some time, "Joel" said that they received the hotend and that he was going to prepare an order for the replacement. He indicated that the order was in the queue and would be sent by the end of the week (end of week was 2 days ago).

We are between two rocks here. Demand for these parts is quite unpredictable, but customers demand estimates. Our policy is to give reasonable estimates. Sometimes we do not meet these. Customers hate to hear "maybe" or "should", but we'd prefer to be honest.

markulus wrote:

THEN I get an email from John with a merchandise return form, telling me to send them the hotend that I had already sent, that that they have already inspected and that they indicated that they would replace.... Again, they didn't even bother to read the email history, instead they just copy-paste responses.

It seemed you had not been fully taken care of. We are still receiving e-mails from you.

markulus wrote:

Finally I get an email telling me that the hotend somehow had defective thermal paste (?).

Yes. We've been trying to let everyone know what the defects have been. This keeps everyone better informed. The chief complaint for the support department is "not enough communication." That is, out of all the problems that are directly in the purview of support, this is the most common one. We know that shipping times are something everyone wants lowered, but this is not something support has direct control of.

markulus wrote:

When I ask if they're going to send me a new one, "John" tells me that they "should be sending me a new one"..... No info is available on the customer service site ( I can't even see my own order history).


What sort of information would you like? You are queue to receive a new hot-end. We currently do not have a way of visualizing this. You will be notified when the order is mailed.

markulus wrote:

It's now been a month since my SD3 stopped working due to Solidoodle's own manufacturing defects. Getting answers out of these guys is like pulling teeth.

What would you like to know?

We answer 100s of questions a day. We are not keeping anything secret. In the case of parts returns, we err on the side of being thorough. We really like to see all the evidence in a case before we make a decision.

markulus wrote:


I had to post this because I feel I've been patient up until now. I'm not going to hound SD customer service with emails, holding their hands through a simple return process. Instead I'm waiting for them to honor their service commitment (eventually), after which I'm finding alternate sources for parts. I've already recommended to a few friends interested in 3D printing to get their printers elsewhere.


The moment you sent in the part, you were in line for a part. Remember, Solidoodle does not have a warranty. We reserve the right to investigate each part return to the fullest possible degree. We want to make sure that all returns are done correctly, and that everyone receives the right parts in a reasonable amount of time.

We understand that what people would like is to receive replacements as quickly as possible, with the minimum fuss. However, we do have to investigate, and there is a process. Those of you who have been with us for a while know that the process is quicker, and more efficient than it has ever been. We have made good on our promises to improve time and again, and this is no exception.

I wish I could mail you the part myself today. If I could I would. However, we do not mail on the weekends, and frankly there is a line of customers just as deserving of parts in front of you. Since we have a long lead time, we get demands - even threats - on a daily basis regarding lead times. We hear everyone loud and clear, and we are making strides towards speeding up the process. We have made good on such promises in the past, and shall continue to.

markulus wrote:

The Solidoodle is a good product. If Solidoodle (the company) wants to survive and grow, they really need to work on their customer service experience.

Complaints do help, but please be specific where the complaints lay. Customer experience can be a bit of a vague concept (though we do have a specialist for this very concept.)

From you post I feel these are the main points:
1)You do not feel your questions were answered.
2)You feel that support was not clear about your replacement.
3)You want a more definite lead time.
4)You want the part to come quicker.
5)You were confused by support's report of the original problem.

#1) We're here to answer questions. Sometimes it can be hard to gauge how detailed an answer should be. Which answers would you have liked answered? How could we have answered them better?
#2)  We're sorry if we appeared unclear. We'll use more definite language. For the record, no one with a faulty part is ever denied a replacement. (so long as they contact us in a reasonable time period.)
#3) We wish we could give you this. Sadly, support is not in control of the exact date of shipment of parts.
#4) We wish we could force this to happen. SD is currently improving it's spare parts program to better handle the volume.
#5) We'll work on formatting e-mails so that these reports wont come as a shock.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Seems Solidoodle Support is no support at all.

I advice too: Hands off from Solidoodle.

My brand new Solidoodle 3 did not work a single second and the solidoodle support tells me, thes did not get my emails.
This lasts from 27th march to today.
Look like i can throw away that 1000 USD, because when i ask attorney help, they might be bankrupt in the meantime and then i have extra cost additional.

And as Solidoodle says above:
Solidoodle does not have a warranty
that means, if one gets problems, the only thing he will get, is an asskick.

My fault that i didnt read that all before.
In the past i got frauded by nigerians, by chinese and i learned nothing.
Now i get frauded by americans, well done.

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Importstation wrote:

Seems Solidoodle Support is no support at all.

I advice too: Hands off from Solidoodle.

My brand new Solidoodle 3 did not work a single second and the solidoodle support tells me, thes did not get my emails.
This lasts from 27th march to today.
Look like i can throw away that 1000 USD, because when i ask attorney help, they might be bankrupt in the meantime and then i have extra cost additional.

And as Solidoodle says above:
Solidoodle does not have a warranty
that means, if one gets problems, the only thing he will get, is an asskick.

My fault that i didnt read that all before.
In the past i got frauded by nigerians, by chinese and i learned nothing.
Now i get frauded by americans, well done.

What's your order ID?
What was wrong with your Solidoodle?

Once again, we help everyone. You can easily find our phone number on this website. We aren't out to steal anyone's money. We help *everyone* with problems. I have most likely answered your e-mail, but I'd be happy to provide you support right if that's what you need.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Sorry, for that post.
I got help from solidoodle at mirc now.
Printer works.
I was upset, because i waited since 26th march without any reasonable response.
But my wound was healed now.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

What's your order ID?
What was wrong with your Solidoodle?

Once again, we help everyone. You can easily find our phone number on this website. We aren't out to steal anyone's money. We help *everyone* with problems. I have most likely answered your e-mail, but I'd be happy to provide you support right if that's what you need.

I must say, although response times vary & sometimes there is poor communication (which is really frustrating) they do answer & they do come through, just takes time sometimes.

Believe me, I was recently disgruntled with them as well.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

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jefferysanders wrote:

File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

Really, is that even necessary?

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Im just gonna drop my 2cents here.
There is nothing wrong with solidoodle support. Problem is that 3D printers are still so in Beta that non-technical people get stuck on the first round of problems, and are unable to solve them.
I have had a blown power supply, clogged nozzle, jammed axis and fixed all of them with relative ease.
3D printers are not ready for the mass market yet. Unless you get a MakerBot or something stupidly expensive.
I support you solidoodle Support. I can understand the level of frustration you must have in dealing with these problems remotely and without technical hands operating the units.

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I think they eventually get there too, but it seems as if there are some holes in their workflow too.

I have experienced the very frustrating change of person contacting me who hasn't bothered to read the emails up to that point and given a copy pasted standard reply.

Also, in the past especially it seemed like they would constantly forget to take note of promises they had made to send things out asap. As if writing it down on a centralised list was too obvious.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

Sometimes we ask the same questions twice. You would be surprised how many times we get different answers the second time around. A large number of complaints spontaneously resolve themselves, or change over time.

I have written this elsewhere, but I may reiterate:
Most first time support contacts will be taken care of by Joel
People having further troubles will be taken care of by me.

There is a high probability I will ask you the same questions Joel does. Again, you would be very surprised how often you ask the same question twice and get different answers. It pays to be extremely thorough. I read *all* customer e-mails. Not just the ones I reply to.

Wow that's a HORRIBLE customer service attitude. There is, as you say, a "high probability" that customers asking for help will be led around in circles while you hope for the problems to "spontaneously resolve themselves".

Now I see why you see customer service as a "vague concept". I'm wondering what the "specialist" you brought in has to say about this...

solidoodlesupport wrote:

What sort of information would you like? You are queue to receive a new hot-end. We currently do not have a way of visualizing this. You will be notified when the order is mailed.

Really? You don't have a way of visualizing where I am in the queue? Have you thought about a .. number?

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iowajames wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:

File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

Really, is that even necessary?


I'm sorry your're so religious you can't enjoy some good filatio...without doubt it won't be long before some strong man is wooing you wife's mouth with his saucy member lol...as for the BBB claim part yes...that was also needed to get actual customer support from SD.

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iowajames wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:

File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

Really, is that even necessary?

why not?

solidoodle constantly have had issues with "customer support" either listing items as in stock, when they are pre-order, or not even being made, taking payment before they even start production of machines. these are against the code of conduct that the BBB would like to see.

Then they loose emails,  endlessly ask the same questions etc... how many people here have a printer where the heater has broken after a few weeks? how many of the early order people are still experiencing issues with the z rod coupler? how many had beds that warped? how many have had to re-route cables because they rub against the case, of change the cold end of the extruder because the jigsaw design is weak and easy to break during routine maintenance, (yes clearing clogs is routine maintenance.)


If Solidoodle were working out of Europe, (where there implicitly has to be a warranty) they'd probably be bust by now having had to replace parts which were clearly not fit for purpose, (heaters, lead screw couplers etc.) because they would be considered defective at the point of sale and intrinsically not fit for purpose.



I'm not saying that people shouldn't buy these machines, (despite it's problems I still very much love my solidoodle) but maybe if a few more people did actually complain in the right place then companies (in general) would do a better job of providing good quality customer service.


a lot of the issues with customer support seems to be system problems,
using a free email provider and mails going missing,
providing support via IRC or Skype and chat logs not being updated into call tickets properly.

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jefferysanders wrote:
iowajames wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:

File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

Really, is that even necessary?


I'm sorry your're so religious you can't enjoy some good filatio...without doubt it won't be long before some strong man is wooing you wife's mouth with his saucy member lol...as for the BBB claim part yes...that was also needed to get actual customer support from SD.

I clicked report on this one and it most definitely was not by accident.  What did he say that deserved a response like this?  You appear to have anger issues.  I hope you feel better one day.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

You can easily find our phone number on this website.

Really? Please show me exactly where there is a phone number for Solidoodle support anywhere on this site. All we get is an e-mail address.

Support should have direct access and control of shipping spare parts. Your saying that you don't IS poor customer support. Either get a new "expert" and or devote alot more of your resources to support or you will not have the good word of mouth a young company needs to gain marketshare.

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jefferysanders wrote:
iowajames wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:

File BBB claims, they'll suck you up if you do...

Really, is that even necessary?


I'm sorry your're so religious you can't enjoy some good filatio...without doubt it won't be long before some strong man is wooing you wife's mouth with his saucy member lol...as for the BBB claim part yes...that was also needed to get actual customer support from SD.

We don't need posts like this here. Keep it respectful. This is a warning, but if you continue to post stuff like this it will result in a suspension.

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Well, now. as the software works with the printer, i have sticking problems.
I set the bed higher with endstop screw and it works the objects 2 or 3 layers sticking, but the loosening.
The bed temperature does not go over 87 degrees and therefor i dont believe, solidoodle does not even test the printers before sending out.
Why there should be a additional cover required to get up to the recommended bed temperatures?
Solidoodle writes on website:
"This is the printer for people who just want to print, not assemble a machine. The printer comes fully assembled with everything you need to get started - all you need to supply is a computer and power."
Obviously a clear lie.
Solidoodle writes on Solidoodle Wiki:
"The Z offset is probably correct or close to it when the printer arrives, since Solidoodle runs a test print before shipping."
Obviously a clear lie. A useful, clever lie, because the customers cannot verify. But in my case, how could be a testprint made on a unlevelled printer (yes i know, UPS throw it down, and the printer got unlevelled) and how could be a testprint made on a printer with bed temp max 87 degrees (yes, i know, testprint was only 2 layers, to avoid further problems).
Obviously a clear testprint lie.

Using hairspray is a not recommended workround?
How a cover can be made on Solidoodle 3, there is no space available over the head and filament is higher than top of printer?

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Importstation wrote:

Well, now. as the software works with the printer, i have sticking problems.

Sticking problems are the main thing that people new to the technology encounter and it is usually just a learning process to get yourself dialed in to how the FFF tech works as it is the same as millions of other reprap type machines

I set the bed higher with endstop screw and it works the objects 2 or 3 layers sticking, but the loosening.

Usually this indicates that the kapton tape is contaminated or printhead is not properly calibrated hence overextrusion and rocking the model

The bed temperature does not go over 87 degrees and therefor i dont believe, solidoodle does not even test the printers before sending out.

Hard to say why the bed doesn't go over 87 might be a hardware problem, all of my machines with the same type of heated beds have no problem getting to 95C+ in 60F-70F degree room temps, is the bed showing full on time heating even with the below setpoint indication?

Why there should be a additional cover required to get up to the recommended bed temperatures?

I have never needed or used a cover on my machines... been thinking about it just to play around but haven't had the time.

Solidoodle writes on website:
"This is the printer for people who just want to print, not assemble a machine. The printer comes fully assembled with everything you need to get started - all you need to supply is a computer and power."
Obviously a clear lie.
Solidoodle writes on Solidoodle Wiki:

Hmmmm, mine printed right out of the box, had to calibrate the extruders because of overextruding but they printed straight away.

"The Z offset is probably correct or close to it when the printer arrives, since Solidoodle runs a test print before shipping."
Obviously a clear lie. A useful, clever lie, because the customers cannot verify. But in my case, how could be a testprint made on a unlevelled printer (yes i know, UPS throw it down, and the printer got unlevelled) and how could be a testprint made on a printer with bed temp max 87 degrees (yes, i know, testprint was only 2 layers, to avoid further problems).
Obviously a clear testprint lie.

Shipping carriers do not even have to drop or throw the boxes because of the design of the printer vibrations and temperature variations/extremes can throw the setup out of kilter as there is a fine line between plastic sticking and not just look on any of the other 3d printing forums and you will see hundreds of people having the same problems as people on this forum.

Using hairspray is a not recommended workround?

I have not tried it yet so can't comment.

How a cover can be made on Solidoodle 3, there is no space available over the head and filament is higher than top of printer?

There are plenty of threads on here describing how to make covers and enclosures.

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justsomeguy wrote:
jefferysanders wrote:
iowajames wrote:

Really, is that even necessary?


I'm sorry your're so religious you can't enjoy some good filatio...without doubt it won't be long before some strong man is wooing you wife's mouth with his saucy member lol...as for the BBB claim part yes...that was also needed to get actual customer support from SD.

I clicked report on this one and it most definitely was not by accident.  What did he say that deserved a response like this?  You appear to have anger issues.  I hope you feel better one day.

Thanks. Me too.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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I think the out of the box thing is realistic for 90% of people.

Personally I only had trouble with getting the filament to stick nicely.  I did eventually get it worked out before I performed any mods.

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Once you learn the intricacies of filament sticking it certainly makes things better smile I have found that there are all kinds of things that affect the sticking like different filament, moisture in the air, dust in the air(gotta clean the bed if it sits for a day or two) Heck I think the phase of the moon affects it wink but there are certainly things you can do about it to make sure it sticks... like cleaning it with acetone, leveling the bed, set the z axis properly and slow down the first layer... between these four things I get 100 percent success rate with the stock bed and kapton tape.

Every once in a while I see posts doubting whether or not SD tests the printer with a test print, well I finally took a picture of the last printer I got with the imprint on the bed of the 'test' object that they printed... this was taken right after I unboxed it and be for I plugged it in for the first time and it clearly shows the spool holder first layer that Sam says they print on every printer as a test.

http://i.imgur.com/J8CBOdi.jpg

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ronsii wrote:

Once you learn the intricacies of filament sticking it certainly makes things better smile I have found that there are all kinds of things that affect the sticking like different filament, moisture in the air, dust in the air(gotta clean the bed if it sits for a day or two) Heck I think the phase of the moon affects it wink but there are certainly things you can do about it to make sure it sticks... like cleaning it with acetone, leveling the bed, set the z axis properly and slow down the first layer... between these four things I get 100 percent success rate with the stock bed and kapton tape.

Every once in a while I see posts doubting whether or not SD tests the printer with a test print, well I finally took a picture of the last printer I got with the imprint on the bed of the 'test' object that they printed... this was taken right after I unboxed it and be for I plugged it in for the first time and it clearly shows the spool holder first layer that Sam says they print on every printer as a test.

IMAGE HERE

Yeah, mine had that on the bed too, never gave it any thought until now. Thanks for clearing that up.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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To throw my very very quiet experience in this, I have had some very very frustrating issues with my machine and I fully know that this isn't the case for every machine. I also know that it's an early adopter technology and not for the masses. But I have to agree Customer Experience/Service is very minimal and needs a major change. Perhaps the value approach towards business helps get customers in the door but keeping them is much more work. My machine was damaged while shipping and operations were not right but the promises to get things right were never on target or on time. Yes, they have taken care of the issues but waiting weeks and months for simple parts and solutions is frustrating for everyone. Being honest would ease a lot of the frustrations. And SolidoodleSupport as much as things frustrate me I have been very quiet about things but the complaints are growing just listen and learn to serve your customers and make them life long followers instead of bitter ex's.

Should it work out the box perfectly without calibration? No, I think most understand that. But we are talking about quality issues here not how to use the machine issues... No one's grandmother is on here complaining that her Solidoodle won't print her dinner or that the machine is scaring the cat. They are talking about bed failures, new resistors failing immediately, cracked beds due to under engineering, and lack of supply shipments and parts.

Sorry for the rant, back to being quiet...

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I'll weigh in on this topic as well. I noticed someone complained about the printers being listed as in stock, and SD charging you full price up front before your printer was built. SD was very upfront about this, they said there was an issue with their e-commerce software that required them to list the printers as in stock in order to be able to accept their orders. They also said they would be charging you in full upfront, and at the time I ordered there was a 8 to 10 week delivery schedule. They didn't try and hide any of that and I knew it before I plunked down my $1000 (SD3 plus two spools, tax and delivery) I got my printer in 8 weeks and it did indeed print right out of the box.
Three days later the heater died. I contacted SD and they told me to send the heater in. As the head was filled with solidified plastic and I was Leary about trying to force things apart I sent in the entire assembly. I experienced the frustration first hand as every e-mail I sent was answered by a different person who obviously hadn't read my earlier e-mails, or the responses from the other SD support people. I eventually got the problem solved and I'm printing again. If my heater burns out again, I'm buying a resistor and replacing it myself. I wish I'd have done that in the first place. SD support isn't fast, but they eventually got the job done.(three weeks later to be exact)
On the whole, I'm very happy with my printer though I'm still dialing it in. I'd recommend a SD to my technically savvy friends. For the rest of the people out there, you might want to wait for the technology to mature a bit before you jump in. Taking pictures was quite an involved process before Eastman- Kodak came introduced the brownie. Nowadays everybody and their children are shooting 10 mega pixels or more, on their phones! Who knows what we'll be printing at home 10 years from now?

TiM

TiM

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kkciampa wrote:

Should it work out the box perfectly without calibration? No, I think most understand that.
Sorry for the rant, back to being quiet...

No apology needed. Though I disagree. Their website implies that the SD is a polished product, not a working project. I understand that for the money it is better to buy an SD & tweak it than buy an expensive product, but to some of us, $500 is quite a bit of money to lay down for anything.

They wouldn't sell so many if they added "needs work to be great!" or "may require a series of new parts due to failures not in your control" or "this printer should word OK, and if it doesn't we might send you new parts at no cost but cannot guarantee that due to no implicit warranty and our support team might be infuriatingly slow at responding & sending parts, free or paid" - See, to an end user that sees a polished product, they click buy & expect this "custom built to order" (why it takes so long to ship) to be thoroughly put through QA & polished like the website implies. Then they get a box that's been through the UPS treatment & a printer that gives sub-expectation results & then has numerous failures with no instructions (in the box) to getting proper prints....

I mean, they don't even tell you to clean the bed with acetone anywhere in the how to section of their website and a lot of end users go straight to support, not knowing about a community of *mostly* decent (not foul) people out there to help where SD support has failed.

No, they need to either heavily QA the product and fix banding issues, get higher quality parts & overall make a polished product with instructions IN THE BOX (like a polished product) & send it via USPS care freight as fragile & insure it (then they are careful)  or list their units as a work in progress with potential bugs & warn people that sometimes they have long wait times due to a small staff and communications issues like a free email account.

If the company was listed as being at someone's home or in a small shop, I think people would assume risk, but SD has been all over the news, Sam has been in numerous videos & reports touting the SD, innovation, the future of 3D printing, etc , and they have an office in New York (an economic front in the USA) which may not mean a whole lot, but it sets the bar higher for professionalism.

Now, I am sorry for the rant, but I meant every word.

This is a typical response to opening a UPS delivered electronic item:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/jaythedogg/horrifyingdiscovery.gif

Quotes from the SD website:

Out-of-the-box 3D Printing — starting at just $499.
Now more reliable and accurate than ever!
Clean lines and easy operation
This is the printer for people who just want to print, not assemble a machine
At Solidoodle, we take the hassle out of 3D printing by shipping every machine fully assembled and ready to print -- right out of the box.
World Class Engineering
designed by aerospace engineers to be extremely strong and precise at the same time
designed so that they will move smoothly and never bind.
We work hard to ship your printer as soon as possible while still maintaining our rigid quality control standards.
Trouble-free custom acrylic extruder with stepper motor
Spring loaded extruder drive virtually eliminates the need for adjusting the extruder
we work very hard to ship it to you as soon as possible while maintaining our stringent quality control standards

Each one of those quotes can be found on the SD website & I can honestly say that they are all exaggerated versions of the truth, if not outright fallacy.

I laugh at this line whenever I see it:
rigid quality control standards

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