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Topic: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

E3D just launched a new low cost hotend, targeted at the value segment of the market.

£21.50 / $34.99 makes it the cheapest non-clone hotend on the market. Hopefully now there won't be any reason to struggle through the headaches of clones!

Blog post:
http://e3d-online.com/blog/lite6

Purchase link:
http://www.filastruder.com/collections/ … roducts/l6

A few kind folks have been reviewing these for the past couple weeks. This thread will serve as a single location for their reviews. They were not compensated in any way for their reviews.

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

I had the honor of testing the new Lite6 from E3D; an affordable all metal body/no PEEK hotend that performs as well as the legendary v5 or v6.
As an avid v5 user, I am sold on anything E3D markets, but I was Skeptical with a $35 hotend. Many clones of the iconic E3D exist, so I was intrigued to say the least.
http://i.imgur.com/BOQffc4.jpg
As usual with any E3D purchase, aside from pliers and some know-how, everything needed is provided....including Haribos which were devoured within seconds of the photo.
A couple key differences between the Lite6 and v5/v6:
*Like the v6, the Lite6 has a shorter profile than the v5, which gives you more of your build platform back.
*Unlike the v6, the PTFE tubing is pushed all the way down to the end of the heatbreak.
*Maximum temperature capabilities. Due to the PTFE being placed so close to the heating block, your maximum temp will be 245. Once PTFE reaches 245c+, it will give off some less than friendly fumes.
http://i.imgur.com/JdYwEnI.jpg
However...this does not stop the average user from using standard materials. As proof...
ABS (black) vs Stainless Steel PLA (grey)
http://i.imgur.com/wfBWTwl.jpg
Dyed Bridge
http://i.imgur.com/9Nk4TIh.jpg
I can confirm that the Lite6 can be used without a fan actively cooling the heatink, but for long term performance (per print) and especially PLA, a fan on said heatsink is recommended. http://i.imgur.com/632ijHr.jpg
I will be honest that I am blown away with the Lite6. Especially for the amount of time I ran it without a fan on the heatsink. I am not even tempted to change back to my v5 since this is working out so well. And I can also confirm that this is compatible with the E3D Volcano since v5/v6/Lite6 all use an M6 heatbreak. I cannot see any difference in quality from my standard v5.
The MK5 v6 extruder fits the new hotend as the fit is identical as the E3D v6.
As usual, the Lite6 is available at Filastruder.com

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

So... E3D has really outdone themselves with this hotend! At a price point of $34.99, compared to $79.99 for the original V6, you would expect to see some sort of drop-off in quality in printed parts. Well, I've been using this hotend for almost a month, and I can tell you that is not the case. The Lite6 is just as capable of producing high-resolution, ooze-free prints:

http://i.imgur.com/uw7WgJe.jpg

On the left, Octave Green ABS. On the right, Octave Red PLA.

The beauty of the Lite6 is that it is not a significant redesign, and re-uses some parts from the V6. This not only makes the Lite6 cheaper to produce (because it shares assembly lines with the hot selling V6), but it will ultimately make the V6 cheaper as well, when the Lite6 sees more sales. The fundamental difference between the V6 and Lite6 is the heatbreak. On the original V6, the heatsink, heatbreak and heatblock are all three separate pieces. The Lite6 takes after other all-metal hotends and integrates the heatbreak directly into the heatsink. Unlike the V6, however, the interface at the nozzle is different. Instead of the stainless steel heatbreak meshing against the nozzle, PTFE tubing runs from the top of the heatsink all the way to the nozzle. This means you must ensure that the PTFE tubing is cut flat at the nozzle side to ensure good interfacing:

http://i.imgur.com/xmyo0W9.jpg

Performance
As I mentioned, this hotend PERFORMS! I am honestly incapable of distinguishing between prints done on my original V6 and the Lite6. Even with the simplified hot zone, details are clear, fill is clean and printed parts fit together exactly like they should. The only performance issue with the Lite6 is by design: it is not capable of printing materials beyond 245C. For most 3D printing users, this is perfectly adequate, because this allows printing of ABS, PLA, HIPS, T Glase, PVA, and other low temp materials.

ABS
I had absolutely no issues with ABS. I decided to see how little retraction I could get away with on the Lite6. On my V6, I was using retraction of 0.4mm@70mm/s and experienced no issues with oozing. On the Lite6, I bumped this up to 0.5mm at the same speed, 70mm/s, and haven't had any stringing issues even on closely-spaced parts. For all ABS pictured here, I used a temperature of 240C.

ABS parts fit well together, straight off the printer. This is in line with the performance I expect from E3D's hotends:
http://i.imgur.com/BfQldrc.jpg
(Nautilus Gears from Thingiverse)

I have been printing battery sleds for electronic cigarette box mods, for several clients. When asked if they could distinguish between my prints with the original V6 and the Lite6, they were surprised to find out I had swapped hotends at all, and even more surprised when the one I was using cost $45 less!
http://i.imgur.com/UUlaYn9.jpg
(Battery sled for a Hammond 1590G box)

Overall, I was very pleased with ABS performance and I can't find a single fault.

PLA
When I was putting the Lite6 through its paces, I put a strong emphasis on PLA. Many people have reported difficulty with PLA in the original v6 in the past, and typically it's due to excessive retraction. To make sure I didn't make the same mistake, I first found the lowest temperature I could extrude my PLA at, which happened to be 180c. I was able to use 0.7mm@70mm/s retraction and get string-free prints.

The Lite6 makes beautiful, water-tight prints with ease:
http://i.imgur.com/mSm4PXM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/V69bWbH.jpg

Even with a 0.6 nozzle, models which require more detail were not a problem:
http://i.imgur.com/Rpq3dsj.jpg
(Puppy from Thingiverse)

http://i.imgur.com/VafNhSn.jpg
(The infamous owl from Thingiverse)

Bottom Line
If you have been considering an upgrade to the E3D V6 hotend, but couldn't justify the cost, this is the hotend for you! It is my honest opinion that the lite6 has all of the capabilities of the original V6, if higher temp filaments such as nylon are not interesting to you. If you are reading this and still considering a clone, just save yourself the headache and go genuine! The clone market will have to step its game up to remain successful, because they can no longer brag on price!

The beauty of the Lite6 is that with a Lite6 and an E3D hobb goblin drive gear (optional of course), you can build a high-performance extruder for $34.99+$14.99 = $49.98! That's a little over half the price of an original V6!

Thanks for sending me this Tim! I love being on the cutting edge of 3dp big_smile Happy printing everyone smile

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Awesome!  At barely more than the cost of a spool of filament, I will absolutely pick one up the next time I order anything from filastruder.  I've got two complete E3D hot ends already, a V6 and a Volcano setup, but at this price its easy to justify a spare.  Just a note: Taulman Bridge nylon prints at 242 C, so I imagine it would also print fine with this.  If the limit is 245, I will probably run it at 240 even though I usually do ABS at 245, just to keep a little margin.

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

I also have been testing the lite6 and thus far am impressed.  I don't have a proper write up but at this time but can confirm Bridge will work with this hot end.  I am in charge of the torture testing and fully plan on pushing it past its limits.  I can say that at this price point the Lite6 is an outstanding hot end.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

The official limit is 245C.

I was sitting on hundreds of these hotends back with n2ri posted his thread about the clones. Was very difficult not to make any hints about their existence.

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

elmoret wrote:

The official limit is 245C.

What's the actual limit?

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

The official limit is 245C.

What's the actual limit?

Ha! I think he's afraid I am going to find out wink

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

The official limit is 245C.

What's the actual limit?

The risk is the PTFE liner decomposing which can release fumes. DuPont recommends keeping PTFE under 260C.

Much past 245C and the liner would likely get squishy and deformed.

If you were to exceed the limit, the PTFE liner can easily be replaced. No other parts will fail until 300C, which is the limit for the thermistor.

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

@jagowilson
no mosfet? jk man. I've been printing the entire shell for people.

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11 (edited by jagowilson 2015-04-02 20:27:23)

Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Hahaha! No need for a mosfet with an appropriately rated switch!

Ok back on topic smile

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Just a few Lite6s outbound:

http://i.imgur.com/tLxEjrh.jpg

Lets play a game! The closest guess to the number of Lite6 shipped in this photo wins a free Lite6. Contest ends Wednesday night, 11PM EST.

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

I cant see the photo to make a guess!

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

i'm gonna guess 69 since i can't see the image and 69 is the universal answer to every mans ills

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

cant see image here either - cant copy the link, nothing...

but I will take a stab at it and say 77...

SD4 with Lawsy carriages, Rumba board, & new 12v PSU, E3D v6, mirror bed plate, X motor fan.
Stock SD4
Prusa i3 kit, spring loaded extruder upgrade, Y axis belt tensioner

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

I will remove myself from the contest but maybe the answer is zero since there is no picture wink

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Do you all have dialup? tongue
http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=8488&download=0

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

I will say 132.

SD2
E3D V6
MK5 V6

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

jagowilson wrote:

Do you all have dialup? tongue

No - but not using a phone either...

for some reason the link does not work on my computer (and apparently other people's as well)

SD4 with Lawsy carriages, Rumba board, & new 12v PSU, E3D v6, mirror bed plate, X motor fan.
Stock SD4
Prusa i3 kit, spring loaded extruder upgrade, Y axis belt tensioner

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Gonna say 66.  Filastruder is awesome btw!

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

Link fixed, sorry guys!

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

92

SD4 w/ RUMBA, E3D Volcano, all bearings, glass bed

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

elmoret wrote:

Link fixed, sorry guys!

Amateur tongue

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

my official answer is 105

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Re: E3D Lite6 (A $35 hotend!) Discussion

i say.... 80 smile