Afinia user looking for more options....

Overpriced/undersized what else is there to make people not buy those printers ?
It cost 2 times as Robo3D printer and has no where near the build area or speed or anything else.

Most people just ignored those amazon offers

Sorry, you wasted your money.

I've heard that Afinia/Up! are great out of the box...  Not a waste of money if that's what you want.  My school almost bought one before I suggested a new Ultimaker 2 (higher price, more features, but the same ease of use).  The new Solidoodle printers like the Press and Workbench are not shipping yet, so we really have no idea at all how they will work out of the box.  Previous Solidoodles however, such as the Solidoodle 2, 3, and 4, have been far less user friendly, requiring many mods and tweaks (takes more time) to get a decent print.  Personally, I think that the Press will be not quite up to par with the Afinia (Up!) printers.  They are making their own desktop software for the first time (using it is optional though) and the automatic bed leveling has been around in other printers for a while now.

Thanks for the input. The afinia was bought for work because I needed something easy to use and reliable. At work I need something I can print with and ignore as I work on other projects. Now im shopping for myself so I won't mind a little tweaking as long as I can get the same quality prints and use specialty materials.

My SD2 out of the box was getting prints that were comparable in quality to a Makerbot. Accuracy was on par with what I expected. To say that these printers needed many mods and tweaks to get a decent print is false.

What it generally comes down to is the fact that most users have no idea how to analyze a print and adjust settings to correct quality problems.....this is true for pretty much any printer.

What the UP/Afinia machines do better than pretty much anything else out there, right now, is support and raft removal. This is simply incredible, and something commonly overlooked when talking about "quality". The other thing they do well is seam hiding, although you can find them if you look hard enough, I've seen far worse on just about every other slicer/printer.

And to be fair, it's not the hardware that is special, it is the software that makes the difference here.

My 2c.

Disclosure. I don't own any SD product, and I am an UP reseller, along with other printers.