Topic: 3D Printing for Artists
Quick question to artists currently using 3D printing or considering using 3D printing: what are you looking for in a 3D printer?
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
Anything but a machine that uses FDM tech.
FDM is just not accurate enough for art...
SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
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Filastruder
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Re: 3D Printing for Artists
FDM might work. That is, if your parts are big enough to deal with the lower resolution. Smaller items might fare best with resin, either DLP or laser.
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
FWIW, OP is a member of the Lathon 3D printer team.
5 2014-06-25 15:42:11 (edited by tmjmurphy 2014-06-25 15:43:52)
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
thanks for the feedback.
@elmoret - I am. check us out at lathon.net if you'd like.
The reason I'm here is to get information; we're making a printer that (we intend) to fulfill the needs of artists and other users that fulfill their needs. So, I'm asking people what they want to see in a printer while we're designing it. We've solved a few problems that users have with FDM (better resolution, multi-material, size) and I'm just looking for more feedback from potential users.
Also, if I haven't plugged enough - we're going to be selling our second gen units in a couple weeks. Sign up to our newsletter if you want to hear more about it.
-tmjmurphy
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
This is an ugly printer for $2k. Id suggest something more contemporary.
SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/
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Re: 3D Printing for Artists
True it's not pretty, but the 3mm filament size is turn off for me. I have plenty of 1.75mm that I don't want to have to buy the same colors again in 3mm. If it was 1.75 size I would consider it.
SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D
Slicer - Simplify3D
8 2014-07-13 18:45:42 (edited by elussya 2014-07-13 18:46:35)
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
I went with the Cel Robox printer, if you check around, you can see some of the 1.75mm filament prints at 20 microns, it's slow printing at that resolution, but they are a great deal in my opinion.
It's still preorder status for most, but I recently got my hands on a beta unit and am beyond impressed compared to my SD2.
I just can't wait for the dual extruder that's coming out for it near the end of the year.
Automated bed leveling, air print detection / print pausing, and the needle valve print head is just plain epic.
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
DePartedPrinter wrote:
Anything but a machine that uses FDM tech.
FDM is just not accurate enough for art...
Really? Art is art man, doesn't matter, your finished product is your unique piece of "ART"....
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
DePartedPrinter wrote:
Anything but a machine that uses FDM tech.
FDM is just not accurate enough for art...
Pretttty sure that 20 micron is more than enough for most, besides that it blows other FDM's out of the water.
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
elussya wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:Anything but a machine that uses FDM tech.
FDM is just not accurate enough for art...
Pretttty sure that 20 micron is more than enough for most, besides that it blows other FDM's out of the water.
Then why do powder/SLA/SLS printers exist (for 100x more than FDM)? Because you can't do full color on FDM, you will always have layers on FDM, and finally, because small features can't be produced nicely by squeezing plastic out of a hole.
Two threads now that you've been wrong. I vote for a 3 strikes, you're banned policy around here.
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
elmoret wrote:
elussya wrote:DePartedPrinter wrote:Anything but a machine that uses FDM tech.
FDM is just not accurate enough for art...
Pretttty sure that 20 micron is more than enough for most, besides that it blows other FDM's out of the water.
Then why do powder/SLA/SLS printers exist (for 100x more than FDM).
Two threads now that you've been wrong. I vote for a 3 strikes, you're banned policy around here.
Not saying that the SLA / SLS aren't better, their layers are smoother, regardless of resolution level.
However- resin is generally more brittle, and less durable. For actual prototyping - FDM in most cases is better in my opinion, plus lack of need for uv curing, less investment over the lifetime in many cases, and other reasons that are easily found.
Someone needs to take their lithium or something.
Re: 3D Printing for Artists
elussya wrote:
elmoret wrote:elussya wrote:Pretttty sure that 20 micron is more than enough for most, besides that it blows other FDM's out of the water.
Then why do powder/SLA/SLS printers exist (for 100x more than FDM).
Two threads now that you've been wrong. I vote for a 3 strikes, you're banned policy around here.
Not saying that the SLA / SLS aren't better, their layers are smoother, regardless of resolution level.
However- resin is generally more brittle, and less durable. For actual prototyping - FDM in most cases is better in my opinion, plus lack of need for uv curing, less investment over the lifetime in many cases, and other reasons that are easily found.
Someone needs to take their lithium or something.
OP asked about art, not prototyping parts for strength or durability.
20 um is irrelevant, and the fact you're bragging about it says a lot about your understanding of the technology. At 20um, a print that would normally take 2 hours at 0.3mm layer height suddenly takes 30 hours. What would be a 6 hour print would then take 4 days. Completely unreasonable. You can't just go faster to compensate, because then you introduce overshoot and ringing which will look worse than layer heights.
No one will ever do FDM prints at 20um for that reason, not to mention the backlash/sag/deflection/inaccuracy are greater than your layer height at that point anyway. Even $3k single-axis positioners of this size are only rated for 90um accuracy/20um repeatability, and then you're throwing in gantry sag on top of that. What if your car's speedometer was marked in 10mph increments, but could be wrong by as much as 50mph?!
Rated layer height is an irrelevant (marketing) specification, often determined simply by the lead screw (threaded rod?) pitch times the minimum step angle, when there is much more to it than that. Speaking of printer resolution specs, ratings of belt drive axes also typically show that the printer manufacturer has no understanding of micro stepping torque derating.