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Honestly I would just start from scratch. that is the basic rule for anything that is causing issues. Always go back to basics. Don't assume anything and don't use settings from one machine just because you know they work.

Rather you believe it or not every machine is different and needs different settings. This due to age, motor current, and a host of other things. Start as if a new machine and use the doc heartless provided. It seems rather solid and industry standard.
You seem to be doing several adjustments at one time which is bad thing. Do only one at a time and confirm it is correct and spot on before moving to the next.

Always start with extruder e-steps, then move to filament flow. After that move to temperature calibration. Then once e-steps, flow, and temp are spot on move to dimensional calibration.

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As others have iterated. No two printers are the same. using familiar setting for a printer you know has some merit. but you must understand the differences and change the settings as appropriate.
as stated the layer height/magic number will be different as it is dependent on the lead screw. and the retraction an important setting will be a bit different as the sd is a direct drive and the Ender 3 is a bowden set up so you will need more retraction like 3.5 mm.

The other thing to keep in mind some settings are interactive so you may need to go back and fine tune or recalibrate.

Do a pid tune that may also be affecting your extrusion as the real cube is likely extruding faster than the manual calibration.

Take a breath go through your steps in a logical order .
you have a lot of experience in your corner.

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28 (edited by heartless 2020-09-06 14:39:42)

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well... that was interesting.. had a reply all typed up, hit the submit button, and poof! it was gone..

Lets try this again....

Ya'all seem to forget, I have used only RH for ~7 years.  I am somewhat familiar with it. The SD settings I refer to are mostly the filament diameter/multiplier/0.4 nozzle.  An ideal 1.75/1.0/0.4 nozzle @200C should produce 0.48 on any printer.  I have 18 rolls of filament in 2 air tight containers with desiccant packages in with the filament.  All were measured and calibrated to produce viable prints.  I should be able to give you a roll of my filament along with the calibration numbers and you should be able to use it by just inputting my numbers.

and this is why I am so confused on why you are having so many problems.. yo do have some experience
As far as the filament settings go, yes, you 'should' be able to reuse them... but not temps - temp will vary depending on the hotend - you should know this as well.. think about the difference in temps between the stock SD hotend and the E3D.. for me at least, that difference was HUGE.
(just as an aside - have over 45 spools, in 4 containers, and 5 printers.. three SD4s, an FT-5 and the Horizon beta tester - All require different print settings.. layer height is just that, the desired layer height.. everything else is different - even among the three SD4s)

I overdid the 100mm calibration.  I nicked the filament with a razor blade at 100mm, rubbed a marker over the nick, then wiped it off, leaving me with a black line at 100mm.  I could just see it at the end.

Excellent! Now try the test that wardjr suggested and add some resistance to the mix...

I have 2 new 0.4 nozzles.  1 from the new printer and 1 from the E3D.  I'm gonna use the E3D (I trust more) which will require a major z height adjustment and re-leveling as E3D's is noticeably shorter. Not something I look forward to on this machine.  I'll change nozzle and start at the beginning of the cali doc and have at it again!

When you change that nozzle, take the time to make sure the path thru the hotend is clear and unobstructed before putting the new nozzle on.

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I just lost a rather long post too...  See if I can remember it all.

Started back on page 1 again!  Measured quite a bit of white PLA - 1.72.  Changed nozzle, used one of theirs.  Used a piece of stiff wire to check the nozzle.  Forgot the size, but the next size at Ace Hardware won't fit.  Unscrewed the Bowden connector at the extruder - all's clear.  Heated it up and tried Ward's test.  I couldn't reasonably hold the  filament back.  Had left 6-8 inches of purple PLA in the Bowden tube, so I extruded some 4-500MM to clear the purple and get the white going.  The extruder was 6-8 inches off the deck, so all that I extruded was free air.  It all measured .48 - .50.  Life is looking better!  Set all the parameters to the calibration doc and tried a test print.  Ha, joke.  Same problems...
200C  1.72  1.00  wall = .32  very stringy
195C     "        "      "       .31  still stringy
Reset the extruder distance.  Creality says 1 sheet A4 paper thickness.  That = 0.09mm.  Really don't think you are gonna get a good .30mm first layer, besides they are printing of that soft stuff, I"m back on glass.  Set it to my 'calling card' height of .28,  releveled, and tried a print.  Not much better.
195C  1.72  1.00  wall = .37 
If I follow thru and set the multiplier, it's ~1.29xxx.  I've never had a multiplier over 1.0.  The original white PLA setting was 1.73/.06.  Being there is only bout half a roll left, I must have gotten some acceptable prints with the old setting. 
One thing that may have something - I always have the skirt set to 2, old habit from SD, just to get the filament going.  It goes thru the motions, but no skirt and no filament til about 25% thru the 1st layer. 
Tomorrow, I'll go thru the wiring to make sure it's all correctly plugged in.  Don't really know where to go from here.  Maybe I'll give this thing to the 7 and 9 year old kids across the street and go get something else - bet ya they could fix it. 
My offer still stands, I will pay someone for a viable copy of Marlin that will run a 32 bit board in the old SD.

Thanx for the help - still need more..........

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if the filament average really is 1.72, then yeah, does not surprise me that the multiplier would be over 1 ... it is trying to increase to compensate for lack of diameter..

so at this point, i think we need to examine the print settings in Slic3r..
Especially those in the "advanced" tab..

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Quick thought, slow down retraction speed.  On a Bowden setup, too fast can cause slippage.

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http://soliforum.com/i/?RzJ9yF2.jpg

I copied your documentation verbatim. You show an example dia of 1.73 with a multiplier of 0.92.  I have at least one roll of glow in the dark at 1.70  with a multiplier of 0.55.  And I know that printed well.  On the other hand, I have a roll of ABS at 1.81 with a multi of 0.657.  I have numerous rolls at 1.75 with multipliers of noticeably less than the ideal 1.0, but none of the SD 26 listings I have used are over 1.0.  It's just a point, I never really took note.
I'll try some ABS today, but I gotta cut grass first, it's knee deep after all the rain.

Retraction speed currently set to 40mm/s default.  Will set it to 30.

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ok... do not leave all of those settings at zero.. specify the extrusion width - on ALL of them.

and get rid of that 15% overlap setting.. if things are done right, you do not need it. Mine is set to zero and I have no issues at all.

as for the multiplier - that should ALWAYS be YOUR calculated numbers, not mine.
And to be perfectly honest.. multiplier should 'typically' be in the 0.9 to 1 range.. 0.55 is REALLY low - suggests massive over-extrusion to me.
over 1 is not common either.. i have one filament that is in the high 0.8 range.. but it is only the one..

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OK.  The reason all the 0's were there is that what your calibration sheet shows.  I set it exactly yo your sheet and got this...  (I have printed about a dozen others, all the same...)

http://soliforum.com/i/?s9AtXqZ.jpg

Wall size, best I could measure 0.31.  This was using my older white PLA at 1.72/1.0 - should have overextruded.  Changed filament again.  All of mine is a year or better old, kept in airtight containers with desiccant packets - lots of them.  A small amount (~5M) of white PLA came with the machine - it came out to 1.73.  So, everything the same cept new filament 1.73/1.0 and I got this...

http://soliforum.com/i/?I88Knb2.jpg

Wall = 0.30.   If you look while it's printing, the last few layers, the extruder is noticeably above the print just dropping filament on it.   There is supposed to be 3 loops of skirt also.   
There is another thing I need to try later - the manufacturer seems to want you to print from an SD card. Create your STL file on your choice of slicer and dump it to an SD card.  I am running directly, by USB cable, off the computer.  I wonder if the printer is overriding some of the RH settings.  Who has the software priority, the printer or the computer?   I went away from the SD card cuz I tried to print from the factory one, and it wouldn't.  I've read there have been probs with the factory SD card files.   
Tin, if you read this, would you mind terribly either e-mailing or posting a copy of your settings in whatever slicer you are using? 
Again, thanx for the help - I WILL get this infernal contraption working...!!!

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Same print direct from SD card.  The last few layers are all over the place and the wall is down to 0.28.......................

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what are you using for a model??

the model should be a solid cube then use the settings to set 1 perimeter, no top, no infill, etc

if you are using a model with specified wall thicknesses this will not work.

http://soliforum.com/i/?MPA7ASL.png

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and thank you for pointing out a flaw in the writeup - I will be correcting it (re: the different extrusion widths not being set correctly)

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I know Heartless hates Facebook groups, but there are several Ender groups out there and in the file sections they have ready made profiles that will you get you in the ball park. It may not be for your certain software but you should be able to open it in an editor and tell what the settings are. It seems something is really wrong with your slicer settings or the machine calibration. It's ok to print over USB for calibration but I would not advise doing it for long prints. The issue is that if windows updates or there is a glitch on the USB line it can lock the printers board up. If that happens while heat is on it will keep heating till something burns up. Thermal protection will not work on a locked up board. This is rare but does happens especially on Windows 10 machines that like to  update and restart without your permission.

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The test model is again the same one I have used for every spool of filament I have calibrated over 7 years.  It is a 4-sided hollow box, no top or bottom 25mm square, 10 mm tall.  Wall thickness controlled by the extrusion.  I was gonna enclose a copy, but it's on the other machine that is tied up rite now trying to salvage somebodies '...oops, formatted drive C.' hard drive.  I know you're probably getting tired of hearing - I did this for 7 years, I did that for 7 years....I am a lazy believer in that if it aint broke....  I know the settings for the SD were at least 'good' cuz I made a fair amount of $$ with the prints over the time. 
Now, Carl... how do I find these Ender groups?  My son is the FB user.  I dabble around some, but really have little or no idea how to get what I want off of FB.  I asked Tin Falcon for a copy of his working Ender 3Pro settings, but haven't heard yet.  Really don't care what software I have to use, I'll learn it!
I just D/L a new copy of RH for the IMac. My old working copy evidently was no good since Mac went to 'only' 64 bit software, in fact my old working copy and all of it's data is gone as are quite a few other programs I had that aren't compatible with the latest 'forced upon you' upgrade.  So I have a clean, untouched copy of RH I will putz with tomorrow, I hope.

Once again - Thanx everyone!

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Ski52 wrote:

The test model is again the same one I have used for every spool of filament I have calibrated over 7 years.  It is a 4-sided hollow box, no top or bottom 25mm square, 10 mm tall.  Wall thickness controlled by the extrusion.  I was gonna enclose a copy, but it's on the other machine that is tied up rite now trying to salvage somebodies '...oops, formatted drive C.' hard drive.  I know you're probably getting tired of hearing - I did this for 7 years, I did that for 7 years....I am a lazy believer in that if it aint broke....  I know the settings for the SD were at least 'good' cuz I made a fair amount of $$ with the prints over the time. 
Now, Carl... how do I find these Ender groups?  My son is the FB user.  I dabble around some, but really have little or no idea how to get what I want off of FB.  I asked Tin Falcon for a copy of his working Ender 3Pro settings, but haven't heard yet.  Really don't care what software I have to use, I'll learn it!
I just D/L a new copy of RH for the IMac. My old working copy evidently was no good since Mac went to 'only' 64 bit software, in fact my old working copy and all of it's data is gone as are quite a few other programs I had that aren't compatible with the latest 'forced upon you' upgrade.  So I have a clean, untouched copy of RH I will putz with tomorrow, I hope.

Once again - Thanx everyone!


Just go to Facebook, click the search box then type in Ender 3 group, Ender Group, maybe Creality Group.

Here is one,

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ender3e … ocreality/

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I asked Tin Falcon for a copy of his working Ender 3Pro settings, but haven't heard yet

Hmm checked my pm folder nothing and did not see in this post where you asked.
I will try to get you good settings. do not recall what i sliced last. and do not want to send a bunch of old useless junk as part of a profile package.
ender typically sends test prints as g code.   Usually test prints from the manufacture are pretty good.

If you open the configuration page for sic3r . go to file there is an import configuration from g code. this should give near perfect settings .

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SKi 52
have you sorted out your issue .

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have you sorted out your issue .


NO.

I have been busy with all of the lousy weather this past week.  It rained all day today, musta got 6+ inches.  My pool looks like an infinity pool, which it aint.  So, tomorrow, I get to spend 40 - 50 on pool chemicals...never quits. 
I have managed to get some almost acceptable prints using PLA.  Lot of fine tuning to go.  I find a lot of  settings I never really bothered with with the SD make a noticeable difference with the Ender.  I have built a toy bin for the 3 year old across the street and want colors for her name, and stars, etc on some of the wood.  Most of the colors I have are in ABS.  I can get 8 - 10 layers of ABS before it starts shooting filament everywhere.  And in both PLA and ABS whatever I set my horizontal shell to is shifted by about 4mm to the right, the rest of the print in PLA anyway is OK just the base is offset.   I can't really find a working cure for that. 
I bought a self leveling thingie, why?  I have no idea.  I guess I needed a few more complications to my daily routine.  I need a firmware upgrade to the latest with the BL Touch.  I seem to have gotten an 'older' board.  Mine is V1.1.4.  Everywhere I've looked the D/L's are for 1.1.6 -  .8 -.9 and then it goes into the 4.x.x series. 
I can live without that for a while.  I really need a fix for printing ABS.  I have seen folks claiming good prints without an enclosure.  An enclosure for this thing might be like putting it into a closet.  I have tried 4 rolls of ABS at temps 230 - 245, bed at 85 - 100.  And still I'm getting corner warp and after 8 - 10 layers - spider web.  I guess I should drop the glass and go back to the pad thingie.....
I may look into a newer motherboard, but you already know my MB probs.  Speak of that I still will pay for a viable copy of Marlin that will run my SD.  Nuff for now, I could go on, but...

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did you ever swap nozzles a chip of brass in the nozzle could be your issue . as you have tried a lot of things.

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Yes I did.  I managed to get an acceptable print using ABS.  I purposely over extruded the first few layers, and used a small raft to get it to stick to the glass, and boy did it stick.  I used the flowrate in RH to complete the print, then changed the multiplier.  It took me quite a while to get it off the glass.  I need to maybe back off the 100C glass temp. 
Still trying to find the appropriate firmware upgrade for the leveling thing... 
You can see on the print where I manually backed off the flow rate.  The rest of the print looks real good.  I'm gettin' there. 

http://soliforum.com/i/?tYJJ4k7.jpg

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Well, I'm back, a little damp... Rain every day this week.  Geting a little too much.
Out in front of my house................

http://soliforum.com/i/?w5boD4k.jpg

Been schooching with filaments and settings all week.  Inadvertently kept all my Print Settings to one heading - 15% Infill .  Was looking at some of the other headings.  Got 2 new rolls of filament from Amazon.  Just unwrapped one and set it to 1.75 (I measured) and 1.0.  Mistakenly, I left the Print Settings at 20% Infill - all SD settings.  I ran the PLA at 200/65 and this is what I got...

http://soliforum.com/i/?0EwcM9s.jpg

Can't ask for too much better - little  over extrusion on the bottom 3 layers- I'll set the multi to 0.96 or 98.  I have tried to print the test cube with another 4 or 5 rolls and almost every setting I can do and still come up with a wall thickness of 0.32 or 33.

The second roll I got from Amazon, I guess I didn't look too good, it's PETG...  Try that later.

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