1 (edited by yuyueyuyue 2014-12-24 23:56:05)

Topic: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

There's hundreds of reasons can cause a jam. This fix might not apply for your situation, but I thought I’d share my troubleshooting story with XYZ Da Vinci owners, so that you have one more area to look for.

My Da Vinci 1.0 stopped extruding at mid print a week ago after 3 weeks of use. The symptom is that I can feed the filament using “load filament”, I can print the first layer, but as soon as the printer picks up speed after the first layer, I get jam. The feeding gear starts to strip the filament.

I tried everything available on this forum, including swapping heating connector with a Dean’s plug, reaming the tip, submerge the tip in acetone, and raising the temp to 230C, and even changing the spring loaded silver gear with a grooved custom ball bearing wheel. None of the above worked

Until yesterday I found out that the problem was caused by careless assembling from the factory. I noticed that the feeding throat has some thread left above the tip, then I assumed it is not all the way screwed into the tip. So I decided to tear the extruder down to single parts to prove my hypothesis. End result – I was right, and the lack of few more turns of the feeding throat caused a lot of trouble for me.

Sorry I didn’t take any pictures during the fix, I will describe it at my best with some drawings.

The tip has a 2mm ID for the filament to go through, and also another 6mm ID for taking the feeding throat. So there’s a 2mm ring like cross section if you look from above down into the extruder tip. If the feeding throat is not screwed all the way in giving a good seal, there will be a chamber of 6mm diameter deep multiply whatever height depending on how deep the feeding throat is screwed in, between the bottom of the feeding throat and the top of the tip. While I was using XYZ’s filament, it didn’t give me any problems since their filament is pretty high in quality and was dry. Even if the filament fills the small chamber, it could still transfer heat well enough. But after I changed filament and it wasn’t as dry as the stock filament, the filament started to introduce air bubbles into the chamber, then the heat can no longer be transferred quickly enough to the new filament feeding through. This is why the printer was fine when pushing the filament slowly through, but as soon as the printer speeds up, new filament can't be heated fast enough and created a resistance, then the feeding gear would start to strip the filament, once stripping started and cumulated, the gear can no longer push filament until I clean it.

After taking everything apart, I simply removed the stuck filament, they weren’t burnt so cleaning was easy, lucky me this time. Screwed the feeding throat back on really hard. Now the filament goes through a straight tube that keeps narrowing without going through a gap along the way which eventually will trap plastic and create a jam after some time.
After putting everything together, don’t forget to re-calibrate the bed since the tip is higher now. My printer is printing flawlessly since the fix.

One tip for those who want to take apart the extruder tip, remove the heater first, then insert the shank of a drill bit of proper size into the heating hole, then hold the drill bit vertically with a vise and use a long wrench for the job. This will give you enough leverage to unscrew the feeding throat. Do it slowly since you’d have to break the melted plastic first. Heating it with a torch might help. Also, DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! I don’t take responsibility if you break your printer. Be careful since there’s no way to buy parts from XYZ yet.

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

I wish to thank you for this post.

I was trying to print using Laywoo-d3 on my Da Vinci, It clogged my hot end and feeding throat. After days of trying to clear it I followed your post and it was possible to clear the clog and I can print again.

I won't be using Laywoo-d3 again, untill I can solve it breaking in the feeder throat and clogging it up.

Again Thanks.

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

Nakaleen wrote:

I wish to thank you for this post.

I was trying to print using Laywoo-d3 on my Da Vinci, It clogged my hot end and feeding throat. After days of trying to clear it I followed your post and it was possible to clear the clog and I can print again.

I won't be using Laywoo-d3 again, untill I can solve it breaking in the feeder throat and clogging it up.

Again Thanks.

I'm glad my terrible writing could help smile

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

Thank you so much for the post. I am having this same problem. I will now take my tip apart and tighten it again. I did take it apart twice so far in the past cleaning it. But I do have a problem when I tighten the tip much it will not hit the cleaning tabs on the waste extruder box? Ideas?

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

hansen644 wrote:

Thank you so much for the post. I am having this same problem. I will now take my tip apart and tighten it again. I did take it apart twice so far in the past cleaning it. But I do have a problem when I tighten the tip much it will not hit the cleaning tabs on the waste extruder box? Ideas?

I just folded a piece of paper under the waste tray, it doesn't have to be very thick.

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Ok thanks. I was thinking about putting a washer between the extruder tube and case.

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

yuyueyuyue wrote:
hansen644 wrote:

Thank you so much for the post. I am having this same problem. I will now take my tip apart and tighten it again. I did take it apart twice so far in the past cleaning it. But I do have a problem when I tighten the tip much it will not hit the cleaning tabs on the waste extruder box? Ideas?

I just folded a piece of paper under the waste tray, it doesn't have to be very thick.

Hanson, I believe he meant tightening down on the metal bolt/tube that is attached to the extruder head itself.  YueYu had a 2mm gap btwn the tube and head causing a gap and chamber that accumulated air/moisture filament.

He tightened down on the bolt attached to the Brass extruder head.

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A picture worth a thousand words.

I've uploaded a picture in the original post of how I remove the extruder head from the neck.

Tried to print hatchbox clear ABS, which jammed like crazy, I had to clean everything again... I'm wondering if it's really ABS...

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yuyueyuyue wrote:

A picture worth a thousand words.

I've uploaded a picture in the original post of how I remove the extruder head from the neck.

Tried to print hatchbox clear ABS, which jammed like crazy, I had to clean everything again... I'm wondering if it's really ABS...

PLA smells like burnt sugar. So unless it smells like that it is ABS.

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Re: Fix for Mid-Print Jam and gear stripping

yuyueyuyue wrote:
Nakaleen wrote:

I wish to thank you for this post.

I was trying to print using Laywoo-d3 on my Da Vinci, It clogged my hot end and feeding throat. After days of trying to clear it I followed your post and it was possible to clear the clog and I can print again.

I won't be using Laywoo-d3 again, untill I can solve it breaking in the feeder throat and clogging it up.

Again Thanks.

I'm glad my terrible writing could help smile


'Terrible writing'???  For the first time I now understand how not keeping your filament dry can cause problems!  A co-worker some how discovered that keeping the spool in a large zip-loc bag with a jar of descant seems to help, but couldn't tell me why he thought moisture in the filament caused problems.

Thanks,

- Steve

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I am trying to do this on my da vinci jr.  How do I get the extruder heat sink apart from the tip?

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My printer has running for many hundreds hours now, maybe few thoughand hour - I realized the feed gear (aluminium - idle gear, with spring) - it is worn out gradually.  Most problem is on the center axis hole (to some less degree, the teeth that push into the filament).  The center axis hole is getting worn out and keep get arger and larger, and worn unevenly along the axis. The holding axis rod seems steel or stainless, which remain intact.  Will anyone now where to get a replacement idle gear?
I think majority causes for in-print jam is due to the gradual deform of the center hole of this soft alumnium idle gear (looking back - for all my readings and fixes - this is the true issue beside xyz filament is significantly lower melting temperature (and stronger smelt due to platicizer added in the filament).
Many other "jam", or moisture problem maybe just alternate manifest of the above two mentioned issues.

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I've gone through all this and had about 100 theories why the Davinci is jaming - all were wrong! The fact is that the printer is sooo cheap that almost all parts are designed to get at least so money out from it! It's the often called "you get what you paid for!". I endend up with a full conversion to E3D parts: http://www.soliforum.com/topic/14386/mo … avinci-10/

After the conversion I've wondered how it could print with these cheap parts! Looking backward it would have been better to spend a bit more on a 3D printer - this would have saved me a lot of headage!