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Topic: e3d on solidoodle clogs

I have been having a lot of problems with clogs in the e3d. I have calibrated extrusion rates etc. I have used different filaments as well. The appear to be cold end clogs as I cannot extract the filament from the hot end. I have increased the gap between the heater block and the cooling fins and am using the fan. I have also noticed that when the head zig zags across the layers I get broken or missing lines but not so on the walls or infils. I also noticed that the nozzle for the solidoodle hot end I could easily see light through but not so with the e3d nozzle. I have assumed that it was because the depth of the .4 hole is deeper in the e3d nozzle. Any ideas? I appreciate any suggestions.

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Re: e3d on solidoodle clogs

I am holding on to a brand new E3D .40 nozzle (just the nozzle) and I can easily see through it.  If you have one and that wasn't the case when it was new then you may have gotten a bad nozzle.  Of course if it is used it will be full of plastic so you will have to clean that out first to check.  The only time I have plugged an E3D .40 nozzle was when my cooling fan stopped about 2 minutes into a 6 hour print.  I let it run just as a test and it made it 5 1/2 hours before it clogged.  I am of the opinion that the very humid and old filament I was using was partially to blame.

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Re: e3d on solidoodle clogs

So what kind of temps are you running? and are you sure it is a .40 nozzle? none of mine were marked so there is the possibility of a mixup... do your extrusion numbers seem right for the wall thickness calibration.

And like ward says old humid filament can cause problems and make you think the cause is something else.

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Thanks for the fast replies. Calibrations were all done and rechecked. The printing temp is 215. I have tried a couple different brand filaments and even extruded some fresh natural abs. I just placed some filament in a vacuum bag with a ton of silica to make sure it is good and dry. I will test that tomorrow to eliminate the moisture element.

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oh, I also put on the .6 nozzle just for fun and had the same issue.
I also measured the extruded thread the other night and it was .368.

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Have you tried stepping up the temperature a bit?

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ronsii wrote:

Have you tried stepping up the temperature a bit?

+1 I run 245

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gtennefoss wrote:

oh, I also put on the .6 nozzle just for fun and had the same issue.
I also measured the extruded thread the other night and it was .368.

Shouldn't that be close to .48?

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I will change the firmware at bump up the heat.
The .368 was from the .4 nozzle. Sorry, I was not clear there.

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I think I found the problem but not quite sure how to fix it. If I print a 50mm x 50mm square, the first layer walls print perfectly. When the printer prints diagonally to fill in the walls, it begins to act starved and prints broken lines. I kept my fingers on the filament while it printed and could feel the extruder skipping during the diagonal prints. I double checked my feed calibration and it is good. The skipping makes me think it is feeding to fast but why just with the diagonal lines. I do not see anything in the firmware where there is different stepper settings for different print types. Have I missed a setup step in using the e3d on the solidoodle? I have done and rechecked every setting I could find on the forum. I also surmise that overfeeding could cause melted filament to backup and cause the cold clogs but I could not cause an issue by manually extruding large lengths at high speeds.

As a footnote, I also found the perfect nozzle cleaning wire. There are wire needles used by bead makers. The are called open eye needles. the wire has a rough texture and the small fits well in the .4 nozzle. The texture does a good job of scrubbing the sides of the whole clean. I sort of screwed it in until it came out the other end of the nozzle then pulled it back and forth. I checked the size of the extruded thread afterwards and it was the same size as before so the "scrubbing" did not make the whole itself larger.

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So what nozzle do you have in now? .4 set to .48 for .6 set to .72. None of that is your problem but needs to be set correctly.  I would guess that the drive gear, bearing and the E3D aren't lined up so the filament is being pushed crooked.

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Hmmm, easy enough to test. It should be very close as I turned down the top of the e3d to fit in the aluminum block that the solidoodle hot end fit into. There is a tiny bit of play. I will run a snug fitting rod through the drive gear/ bearing straight into the hot end and measure and shim as needed. Excellent idea.

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If you can eliminate the play with some Kapton tape it will improve your prints.

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I am also having excessive E3D clogs. On same filiment I used with the stock hot with little problem. Granted the stock hot end clogged every 6 weeks or so but the E3D seems to clog daily and twice today. I'm pretty sure my temps and general setup is theoritaclly fine anyways

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
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What temps are you running? I have just as much experience in ABS as PLA and notice PLA caused every single one of my clogs.

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I have been printing in PLA. I was originally printing at about 190 to 195 but went upto 200 in hopes it would help the clogs.

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
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Re: e3d on solidoodle clogs

I stopped having clogs at about 210-217.
Definitely pump up the temp. just remember than you don't want to burn the extruded filament. If you have any white, light green...pretty much any pale or translucent colors, you can dial in the new temps as charred plastic is easy to spot in the lighter colors. Just be sure to purge any and all filament first since there may be some goobers left inside and give you a false indication of the "burn limit".

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I had adjusted my temps but but not that fa up. For example my PLA used to work well for me at 165-170 appox on the old stock hot end.

I haven't gotten around to ABS, but it is like that for ABS also?What temps do you use for ABS?

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
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LdyMox wrote:

I had adjusted my temps but but not that fa up. For example my PLA used to work well for me at 165-170 appox on the old stock hot end.

I haven't gotten around to ABS, but it is like that for ABS also?What temps do you use for ABS?

E3D measures heater temperature, Solidoodle measures nozzle temperature. You have to add around 30-40C going from a Solidoodle hot end to a E3D.

You heated to 290C and torqued the nozzle, right?

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elmoret wrote:
LdyMox wrote:

I had adjusted my temps but but not that fa up. For example my PLA used to work well for me at 165-170 appox on the old stock hot end.

I haven't gotten around to ABS, but it is like that for ABS also?What temps do you use for ABS?

E3D measures heater temperature, Solidoodle measures nozzle temperature. You have to add around 30-40C going from a Solidoodle hot end to a E3D.

You heated to 290C and torqued the nozzle, right?

elmoret is dead on as always. If you haven't yet, do the heat tightening with a good pair of thick leather gloves. I use two other gloves inside my leather ones and never felt a thing while holding a 290c hot end.

I currently print ABS at 240c.

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To be clear, you shouldn't hold the whole hot end during torquing, for possibility of bending the heat break. It is best to use a wrench on the nozzle and pliers/wrench on the heat block, as shown in the instructions.

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Thaks I'll try this once my E3D is back up again. Seems after cleaning several clogs and thus handling it enough to unscrew it etc... the wires on the temp sensor got broke from even inside the kapton tape. Now I have to await parts again.

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
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I have done the heat tightening..or I think I did each time. But since I have taken the E3D apart because of clogs 6 times this week, I can't be postive I did it every time.

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA