1 (edited by helifrek 2013-09-07 20:12:30)

Topic: Improvements to SD3 since the first release?

Hello all,
I looked around the forums and internet trying to find a comprehensive list of all the improvements made to the SD3 since it's first release but haven't been able to find one. Does anybody know of such a list or would be willing to write-up said list? I am curious to see if SD has listened to customer feedback and implemented that feedback into it's design. I do not yet own a 3D printer but customer service and QC is my largest concern especially when diving into such a new technology. Thanks in advance for your answers.

Brandon

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Re: Improvements to SD3 since the first release?

From what I have seen, if they do listen they are not eager to change their design.  The only "improvement" I have heard of/seen is the new electronics board.

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as far as I know:

messed with the way that the z axis screw mounts to the motor

aluminum sled for the bed

new board (which is worse/better?? but mostly cheaper)

new heater pad for bed (instead of resistor bolted on)

better software supplied by default

uh..  not sure of what else.  to be honest I wish they would adopt the M3 z axis screw for no banding as a stock thing.  And also make the bed out of a bathroom tile instead of the warp happy aluminum that they use now.

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Actually, IT Man, with all respect, I think a mirror makes a better bed. It shows any debris, hair spray film, etc. when you clean it so you can actually make sure it is squeaky clean before gacking it all up again with hair spray.

Robox printer, HICTOP (Prusa i3 variant) Model 3DP17 printer, ELEK 2.5W laser engraver, AutoDesk 123D Design, Windows 10

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I have yet to find a mirror the correct size, but I've been looking. Also the tile was 48 cents. smile

And I usually don't clean the bed every time.  I've found that if I ... is the right word season? it, stuff sticks better. After it builds up a thin layer of melted plastic and hairspray, I don't even need hairspray anymore.  Parts stick enough to lift the whole printer off of the ground with no spray, just a hot bed.

When I can run my finger along the bed and feel ridges, that's when I take the tile off and clean it.

Do you need kapton on the mirror?  Or can it go bare?

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ITman496 wrote:

Do you need kapton on the mirror?  Or can it go bare?

I'm going to vote with "no" on that.  I run a "candle" mirror right over my bed; a little ABS slurry on top and parts stick great.

|                                                           SD3                                                |
| Mk5 Jigsaw |:| Overkill Y-Axis Bracket |:| Lawsy's X/Y Carriage Replacement |
|  M5 Z-Axis  |:|         Glass Bed            |:|               Plexiglass Enclosure       |

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Glass and mirror are the same. mirror just lets you get a cool view of your extruder in action. lol

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ITman496 wrote:

I have yet to find a mirror the correct size, but I've been looking. Also the tile was 48 cents. smile

I found 8" candle mirrors at AC Moore (a crafts store) for about $5 each.  They DO have a beveled edge so you lose about 1/4" off each side but I have yet to print an object where that was a problem.  They seem a TINY bit thinner than the mirror I was already using but still seem thick enough.

|                                                           SD3                                                |
| Mk5 Jigsaw |:| Overkill Y-Axis Bracket |:| Lawsy's X/Y Carriage Replacement |
|  M5 Z-Axis  |:|         Glass Bed            |:|               Plexiglass Enclosure       |

9 (edited by Gomisan 2013-09-09 05:27:51)

Re: Improvements to SD3 since the first release?

I love the way glass bed discussion creeps into every second thread. Seriously, I would only use glass (and do) that is designed for use in high temp situations, like that designed for halogen lights.

EdIt - and as for improvements, from what I've read it seems the heater bed in my new SD3 is a lot more responsive than they used to be. It heats up really quickly, and the newer Z-Stop screw didn't need replacing when I added my glass sheet.

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Thanks for all the feedback guys. my next question is what software are you guys using from drawing up your 3D object all the way to printing it? from the looks of it, heartlander uses SketchUp 2013 (Make), NetFabb, Repetier Host/Slic3r ? is this correct. is that all the software I need? I have been playing around in sketchup and so far I like it, it seems easy enough to use. I have yet to make anything complicated though. After I create the object I think run it through netfabb to repair it and the open it in repetier to print it? is that right? anything else a newbie should know before ordering the SD3? I was planning to order black filament but I hear it does not stick as well? thoughts and advice appreciated!

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Improvements to SD3 since the first release?

Sketchup is what I use as well.  With enough plugins you can do /anything/.  Just make sure you get solid checker. It makes sure all of your shapes are closed and the STL won't bug out.   I have yet to use netfabb because of it.

Just make sure you get either glass or a tile or mirror to use as a bed, and some binder clips.  I was unable to print a single thing on the stock bed until I did that.  Also get hairspray.  And prepare for a few weeks of adjustment and fine tuning.

Oh, and also plan on making an enclosure.  I have only failed one in twenty prints since I got it (as opposed to working 1 and failing 19 without)

I made mine with some plexiglass at home depot, aluminum duct tape, and magnets/double sided tape.

I have no experience with anything except the red filament that the printer came with and the white filament I got off of ebay.

EDIT: And one other piece of advice.  Get a fan or a heat sink to stick onto the X axis motor. (the only motor not bolted to the case/extruder, it's on the left in the air).  It gets stupidly hot.  I just ziptied a 40mm fan to it and wired it into the same spot that the LED strip was plugged into.

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I personally hate Sketchup, but enough people use it that it has to have something going for it. Oh that's right, it's free!

I use Rhino 3D, which isn't free, but does excellent solid modelling and is very intuitive to use. It helps if you qualify for an educational licence.

I made an enclosure, mine is coreboard with clips that I designed and printed myself to hold it on. That really helps, I popped a cheap Ikea clock/thermometer in the enclosure to monitor temps and once it's running it gets to about 42C and stays steady.

I also bought some borosilicate glass of the kind that is used in halogen lights, I had it cut to size and the edges ground. It's simply held in place with 3 small binder clips.

A filament guide to stop the filament getting tangled and that's about it for starters.

Oh, filament.

The first stuff I used was blue ABS, which seemed OK until I tried Red which was much better! Last night I swapped in a roll of Natural white and it's even better again. So the difference good filament makes cant be under estimated.

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Helifrek, I am a fellow noob of less than two months lineage. Sketchup is free but so is other stuff. There are different types of design programs of which Sketchup is categorized as a "non-solid" modeler. After you design your model you have to ensure that it is solid, i.e. that it would literally hold water. Any leaks or gaps and the printing software will hurl. You must add a few plug-in programs to Sketchup to check and hopefully repair any errors you made. And it is easy to make errors. Trivial things matter, like whether a surface is facing outward (white) or not (blue) trun out to matter.

Even after the Sketchup plugins give your model a pass it may still be rife with errors. So you need to run it through NetFabb or other 3rd party software to further groom it to the point that Reptier (the printing software) and Slic3r (or other slicing software) can interpret it into a solid object. Slicing software does just that, it looks at your model a thin slice at a time and determines the "g-code" or x-y-z position numbers it must run to make that slice. One slice gets laid atop another.

Another approach is to use a "solid modeler" in which case the model starts out solid and is always that way. Gomisan mentioned Rhino. I am looking at Creo Skectch and Creo Elements Design Express both of which are free. Creo Sketch is butt-simple, almost like Microsoft Paint and Design Express looks to be quite slick and master-able with features not found in SketchUp.

I don't have extreme requirements, I  mostly make small electrical parts. I'm a former Visual Basic programmer and SQL database developer so I'm not afraid of learning something new but I'm also 62 and not as sharp as I once was, so simplicity and ease of use are serious requirements for me. A man's gotta know his limitations, as Clint would say.

Anyway, the obvious point is, you might be well served to check out some of the other design software before you settle in on something. Ascertain what kinds of things you want to make, what kind of design features you imagine you might want whether or not you know what that feature might be called, and how much complexity you can tolerate. Some of these programs can do architectural, industrial, electrical, animation (like Pixar) and landscape so they are dripping with features and menus and clutter that no one person could probably ever use.

Ask Ian, Adrian, Lawsy and some of the other gray beards here for their recommendations once you have a basic suspicion as to what type of work you want to do, they can offer suggestions to packages you can evaluate. Watch the demos but remember its never quite as easy as it looks in the demo, that guy is an expert. Plan on an extended and sometimes steep learning curve although you can start knocking out useful stuff literally within a few hours.

Remember to have fun. This can (and will be) frustrating at times but you can also have a hell of a good time and take serious pride in your projects and the expertise you start to develop. This is a great forum, BTW, lots of real good folks here and they are more than happy to lend a hand. Just remember they all have day jobs so it may take a second before they respond and, besides, they're probably helping me with one of my calamities.

Good luck, pal, and welcome aboard.

Robox printer, HICTOP (Prusa i3 variant) Model 3DP17 printer, ELEK 2.5W laser engraver, AutoDesk 123D Design, Windows 10

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Thanks again for all the kind words an encouragement. I was just getting ready to sitdown and start the sketchup tutorials all over again (got rusty while I was gone doing some training). Sketchup does seem a bit complicated at times. I will take your advice on the Creo Sketch, anything to simplify the process will help.

  I do not plan to make anything insanely complicated, mainly I want to design my own rc helicopter and quadcopter parts as well as everyday items. I have been wanting to get into robotics as well so I was thinking of designing a hexapod and possibly bipod robot.

I was thinking.... I hear that some colored filaments print better than others, can't recall if I already mentioned that. Has anyone tried dying there prints? I use to dye my plastic rc heli parts all the time. add a little rite dye to some water in an old paint can or something similar and boil the part for about 10-15 min. my parts always came out very professional looking.

Last thing, Does anyone know of a printable dimension chart. something with maybe a ruler on it, some circles and squares all measured out in mm and such. Just a quick reference you could look at when designing a part. I could easily make my own but something professional looking that I could print off would be nice.

Thanks again for all the help guys. cannot wait to get my printer and start printing!

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Take a look on Thingiverse. There are heaps of printable calibration sets and tools, some with metric/imperial measurements, some with nuts and bolts sizes, all sorts of things.

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Thanks Gomisan, I will check that out.

So I have been playing with Creo element direct modeling for a little bit, watching tutorials and I am honestly about to pull my hair out! Sketchup seems so much easier to use. I am looking for long term goals, if creo is the better software to use and will cause me less headache when I actually start 3D printing than I would rather learn it. Any good tutorial recommendations for Creo? Thanks again guys.

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Tip... install the free, fully functional Rhino 3D Demo on a virtual machine.... when you run out of saves, revert the machine.