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Topic: Should I give up?

Okay, my little sonic/strobe/pepper gas gun pistol grip seems to have become possessed by the devil himself. I actually got an earlier version of it to print once (woo-hoo!) but I made a couple of changes and now even the diagnostic software disowns it, says it has 81 edges with no faces (sounds a bit like my first wife).

I would start all over if I knew how to replicate the precise curves and angles that I've worked so hard to develop. It there really no way to fix this thing so it holds water? Should I go back to an easier vocation like planning a Mars landing or controlling the weather?

Here is my nemesis, attached.

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I can't load that in SU 8.  Can you save it in an earlier format of SU?  Haven't tried 13 ...
Matt

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Here it is in Vers 8, thanks Matt.

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HERE Here it is in Vers 8, thanks Matt.

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Got it.  So - are you trying to extrude this profile to a particular thickness?  (Sorry if you've posted that info before).  Or alternatively, can you post the picture of the earlier version that did work so I can figure out what you are shooting for?

Matt

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I'd like to pull it out to 9MM

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This is the old version of the part I printed. When I made changes it no longer will print.

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It looks to me like the main outline is a set of segments *not* all on the same plane.  I.e. I can't select all the segments making it up and then "generate faces".  This probably came about when trying to get the drawing to lie flat?

I'll still work on this ...
Matt

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Okay, I think it's fixed.  See attached.

The issue is that your line drawing of the outline was not on one plane.  By connecting up some of the segments a number of smaller planes could be identified.  You then extrude those and cut through the resulting volume with a rectangle.

Select all the points/surfaces and the "Interface -> with selection"

At that point, delete everything you don't need, leaving the intersection with the plane.  You might need to clean up some segments as well.  If you hide the circular hole and rectangular hole before you start, you now unhide these and extrude them into the plane.  Repeat as above by deleting what's not needed.

At this point, you have your contour on one plane.  Extrude it by 9mm and you're on your way.

Hope this helps,
Matt

PS  You also seem to have had a lot of stray line segments left over from prior work, which may have been messing things up.

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Matt, thank you so much! I'm so grateful that you would take time to straighten out my mess and then explain what I did wrong. What a guy. And on the Fourth of July!

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No problem - pay it forward wink

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Roger that, friend.

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Every time I touch this drawing I knock it out of kilter. How do I ensure that any new lines are on the same plane? Does everyone have this much hassle? I've never felt this inept in my life.

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Can you describe or post a screenshot of what you're trying to accomplish?  It might be that there is an add in or two for SketchUp that will help.

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Here's a snap of the design after you fixed it and I tried to evolve it toward the desired end result. I still need to make a couple of holes in the edges of the part for switches to stick out and a lid.

BTW, I want to make the top edges rounded (it is a pistol grip) so I downloaded the RoundedEdges plugin. Since the lid/cover will be fairly thin, like 2MM, I think I need to put the lid on the part, round the corners, then slice/cut the lid back off. In other words, the rounding will involve both the lid and 2-3MM of the edges as well. So, I will be wanting the best way to slice/cut the lid off after rounding.

Clear as mud?

Anyway, my persistent problem is keeping new lines in the base plane. If I mount the part on a big rectangle will that help? I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking time to school me.

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Ok, here is the pic

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Here's the drawing:

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Forgot the dang Add File button. D'oh!

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Re: Should I give up?

I won't get a chance to look at the SKP file until tonight.  Usually what I do is draw guideline across a plane onto which I want to put a segment and then work off of that.

Also, there the Fredo6 tools, though I've not yet gotten very good at using them
  http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtop … 78#p144178
It looks like "Tools on Surface" would be the one you want.  That said, I've not used it ...

As far as cutting off the lid goes : Once you've got the part complete (yes, I'd round the edges of the completed piece) I'd probably pass a plane through a copy of the part at the point where the lid and part meet.  Interface the two and delete everything except the lid.  Do the same for the body of the part.  When you're done you should have the original complete part, the lid and the body of the part.  There are probably more elegant ways of doing that, but I don't know them.

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I think if you put a rectangle around the item and then draw your lines, it might be easier.  When you start or end a segment you'll get hint if you're on a face or not.  See attached.

Hope this helps ...

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Okay, that looks like what I need. Thanks, Matt. You're great.

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Matt, I keep alternating between working and studying SU. I just found out I can cut the lid off with the Section Plane tool. In fact, I think I will do a lot more studying before I resume building. Like any good newbie I'm starting to see segeral things I'm doing wrong or the hard way. SU is really a cool piece of software. Almost as cool as the folks on this forum, patiently trying to herd the noobs along toward expertise. I sure appreciate it and will pay it forward as soon as I am able. Graci.

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SketchUp is pretty good once you get used to it. Try searching YouTube for SketchUp Tutorials, they help a lot.

To slice an object for a lid etc the best way I've found is how mconsidine described it. You 'slice' an un-grouped object with a shape (rectangle), then intersect edges with model which will create the lines within your object.

http://i.imgur.com/hWkPFK7.png

If you're having trouble identifying planes on your object you can change your line colors to match that of the axis if they are on it perfectly. You can do this by going to Window>Styles>Edit and change the Color drop-down to 'By axis'. This is very helpful for identifying problem lines.

http://i.imgur.com/V1oMmnF.png

My first design in SketchUp was a rifle magazine so I feel your pain. Once you get the hang of it it is pretty good as long as you are not working on a very organic shape. Another tool to look into (if you haven't already) is the Follow-Me tool. Arc/Follow-me for your rounded edges.

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Thanks, Krythis. Yeah, follow me is pretty slick. I appreciate the advice, fer sure.

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