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Topic: Some notes about my introduction into 3D printing (solidoodle 3rd gen)

I have the Solidoodle 3rd Gen at my work (w/wood platform and stock bed with kapton tape).  We're an internet company that makes niche market products and sells them online, over the phone and in stores across the world.  Getting a 3d printer seemed like the perfect logical advancement to take to bolster our internal R&D capabilities.  I still think it is but here are some notes about my foray into it so far.

First, I was having problems (like everyone it seems) with prints curling.  This appears to be the very first thing anyone and everyone runs into.  I started out with the print bed temp at around 60°F initially and gradually adjusted it higher and higher up to 85°F.  The highest print bed temperature appeared to "help" but the larger prints were still consistently having problems with curling no matter what.  The magic bullet here was hairsprayBoom, instantly no more curling.  Getting to this point of realizing that was the answer was enormously frustrating.  I actually even built a full acrylic heatbox to try to resolve this problem.  I think I will still end up using it but will have to mod the printer first for it to make sense.

One of the things I noticed is that with the heatbox setup, I could easily get into the 90 to 100 degree F range for ambient temperature inside the print area.  This was great, except that at about 82°F and up, the y-axis started slipping.  The higher the ambient temp, the earlier y-axis started to slip.  I got up to around 93°F ambient in the heatbox and the prints would basically become totally useless at the very first layer.  Interesting.  The electronics are VERY VERY sensitive to heat.  I don't have any fans installed on the electronics at this point but I'm actually just planning on the removing the entire electronics board from the 3d printer and installing it in it's own box with fans.

The other problem I'm finding is that the stock fill settings on the version of Repetier/Slic3r I'm using produces prints with the consistency of paper mache.  I don't know who in their right mind would ever think these stock settings are usable in the slightest degree but I still haven't figured out how to adjust the fill and layer settings to get solid plastic prints that I can't break with my bare hands.  It seems like such a stupid simple thing but I literally can't find any good guides detailing how this works...!

I feel like I need to start a website detailing how to setup FDM 3D printers and likely pitfalls and exactly how to tune them.  Hunting through forums is great but it's an enormous and time-consuming crap-shoot with very few actually definitive answers.  The solidoodle really should have an instruction booklet saying things like "Ambient temperature must be below 80°F for the electronics to work.  You won't get prints that don't curl unless you apply hairspray to the print bed."

Something like that would have saved me a good 2 months worth of time.

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Re: Some notes about my introduction into 3D printing (solidoodle 3rd gen)

I'm having a very similar problem with the heat in the box.  I have a very closed in printer that can reach around 90°F during a print, and lately I've been having problems that I haven't encountered before.  I'm having slipping issues where the print will just shift mid-way.  To combat this, I installed 2 40mm fans on the electronics on the back that are on when the printer is on, but I came back to a 6 hour print last night to find that it still shifted, although I can't recall which axis shifted.

I'm not sure what to do about that.

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Re: Some notes about my introduction into 3D printing (solidoodle 3rd gen)

Boz wrote:

I'm having a very similar problem with the heat in the box.  I have a very closed in printer that can reach around 90°F during a print, and lately I've been having problems that I haven't encountered before.  I'm having slipping issues where the print will just shift mid-way.  To combat this, I installed 2 40mm fans on the electronics on the back that are on when the printer is on, but I came back to a 6 hour print last night to find that it still shifted, although I can't recall which axis shifted.

I'm not sure what to do about that.

I think the only way to avoid it specifically is to extend the length of the wires going to each of the motors and to mount the electronics for the printer in a separate housing outside the heatbox.

I found that with my heatbox installed, even the actual metal frame of the printer became very hot to the touch.  Doubtless this heat is being transferred readily to the electronics which is mounted on the same metal frame.

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Re: Some notes about my introduction into 3D printing (solidoodle 3rd gen)

joshhunsaker wrote:

First, I was having problems (like everyone it seems) with prints curling.  This appears to be the very first thing anyone and everyone runs into.

I can't speak for everyone, but my first problem was actually "Help! I can't print anything!" lol

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hairspray on glass plates, and enclosure are the 2 biggest things you can do to enhance print quality. also be sure to add some brim to long skinny pieces or they will pop loose no matter what. i just use brim on everything now and have had no issues with parts coming off. in fact, with hairspray on glass, i have more problems getting finished parts off the plate without letting it cool for an hour (then they just fall off). ive combated this by cutting a set of glass plates that i can rotate out, im going to be building a hot box with a heat lamp and insulated enclosure to try to preheat my glass plates for a more continuous print solution, but ive had my printer for less than a week at this point, so im not going into production or anything!

also, critically important to have a good experience with the SD or really any 3d printer. DO ALL THE CALIBRATION STEPS!

go to soliwiki and follow the calibration lessons in order, as they ship, SDs seem to WAY over extrude. by about 30%. this causes all kinds of issues with print surface finish, not to mention wasting 30% more material than is needed for the print. just this one calibration step, if you don't do anything else, will give you great finish quality.

also, OP says he cant find the infill settings in repetier, its simple. go to the slicer tab, and under the big slice button, you'll see the dropdown boxes for the layer height and the printer profile. simply click the configure button to the right and it will take you into the slicer settings. on the second tab, BE SURE YOU SELECT THE PROFILE YOU WANT TO MODIFY in the dropdown box, took me a few tries to figure that out. lol. then you'll see categories for speed, infill, brim/support, etc. really quite straight forward, though i would suggest not changing any speeds unless you want to spend hours calibrating flow rates to avoid stringing.

most important step is, after you save the configuration, and you close the configuration window, make sure the profile you just changed is selected in the first drop down box, it helps to give it a special name when you save it so you can tell. then slice and enjoy! i suggest downloading a calibration model set from thingiverse and always running a small calibration print to test your settings until you know what your doing with them. sucks to waste hours and plastic on a model only to find out that your settings are wrong when it starts printing the top. lol

as for electronics overheating. well.. 40mm fans are your friend. go on amazon or your local computer store and buy a pile of them just to have around, and a 12 volt wall wart and some switches (or you can wire a separate 12 v header branched off the 12 volt printer supply). there are designs on thingiverse for electronics covers with fan mounts, and also covers that slip over the ends of steppers that allow fan mounts, put a fan on everything if you want!

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Re: Some notes about my introduction into 3D printing (solidoodle 3rd gen)

joshhunsaker wrote:

One of the things I noticed is that with the heatbox setup, I could easily get into the 90 to 100 degree F range for ambient temperature inside the print area.  This was great, except that at about 82°F and up, the y-axis started slipping.  The higher the ambient temp, the earlier y-axis started to slip.  I got up to around 93°F ambient in the heatbox and the prints would basically become totally useless at the very first layer.  Interesting.  The electronics are VERY VERY sensitive to heat.  I don't have any fans installed on the electronics at this point but I'm actually just planning on the removing the entire electronics board from the 3d printer and installing it in it's own box with fans.

that heatbox in the picture is covering everything. what you need to do is download the parts for user paeltz (on this forum, just search him and view his topics) acrylic enclosure. you print the parts and cut the plastic to his sizes, and it clips on to the frame, enclosing just the build environment, you never want to have the actual control electronics inside the hot box.

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I had a 1/8" plexiglass sheet cut to fit the sides and front of the printer. I used 1/4" foam tape along the edge with 2 1/4" magnets glued in the center on the top and bottom. I printed flat sided knobs and glued them on the top opposite the magnets. They pull on and off easily giving me full access to the printer while keeping the electronics outside the hot area. My top does need work, it's a cardboard box top from a case of printer paper cut down so it's shorter with a notch cut in the back for the filament to feed though  not fancy it was cheap, quick and it works quite well.

TiM

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Heat sink and fan the board, drill small holes to vent a small amount fresh, cool air to the stepper motors, wouldn't want them burning up windings...

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I actually discovered today that my filament got tangled and snagged on the filament spool holder (pvc pipe), which caused all sorts of problems that, at first, looked like axis slippage.

I'm printing a longer part now and it's going strong with the fans cooling the board.  Now to just put a gcode fan on the extruder, and I'll be good to go!