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Topic: Out of the Box 3D Printing

So, my SD3 showed up today.  As you guys probable know, I spent a lot of time researching Ian's blog, this site, the SoliWiki, and Solidoodle's website to try to make a game plan for today.  I got to say that the research paid off.

I started off by leveling the bed per the Solidoodle instructional video.  I downloaded the SD version of RepetierHost, and got it connected to the printer.  I removed the leftover white filament from the SD test print, and loaded in black sample that was sent with the printer.  I tried a thin-walled test box, but soon realized that I had jumped the gun on that. 

I performed Ian's Extruder Calibration (which required a significant change...the stock setting extruded 131mm when told to do 100mm).  I then did the PID tuning calibration.  After that, I attempted some test prints, but I was having sticking issues.

I went to Lowes and a few other places to acquire parts for an enclosure and some glass plates for printing.  I adjusted the Z-screw to compensate for the glass thickness, sprayed some hairspray on it, and allowed it to come to full temp.  I had no more sticking issues, and have printed two successful tests so far.  My first print was the obligatory companion cube (flat bottom version).  And I printed the simple planetary gear with base (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:44536).  I had significant warping on the gear base which made the gears fail to rotate, and the horizontal supports between the planet arms failed to print twice.  I printed the base alone, and had less warping.  I had to cloud netfabb the arms to fix that issue, but the gears turned out fine.

For those that are curious, I have the aluminum bed support.  The bottom nut on the bed leveling screws are round instead of hex which makes the existing thumb screws not work with them.  I need to get some hex nuts for them (anybody know what size they are?).

I read on the Wiki that Lawsy's fix for the Z-wobble is built into the currently shipping firmware...is that so?  Do I need to print the Z backlash fixer with the current SD design?  Does anybody have any suggestions for further calibration/refinement?  Other than the warping, and a little SNAFU on the companion cube when I accidentally bumped the bed during printing, the quality of the prints are pretty dang good...especially for first day prints.

The point of this thread was to give other newbies hope that you can print (sorta) out of the box.  Also, Solidoodle really needs to provide a comprehensive manual IN THE BOX that tells the user how to do all of the above calibrations.  It would save support a heap of time answering questions from people that don't do a ton of research before firing up their printer for the first time.

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wilheldp wrote:

Solidoodle really needs to provide a comprehensive manual IN THE BOX that tells the user how to do all of the above calibrations.  It would save support a heap of time answering questions from people that don't do a ton of research before firing up their printer for the first time.

+1

I edit my posts a lot.

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That would be a big help. I can't recall an electronic device that a I purchased that didn't have at least  the tech specs listed and at least a getting started section.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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I agree. Basic instructions are something I would expect to be in the box - at the very least a small card with a URL to go to.

As it is I don't believe there's even a "getting started" page, is there? All the information I've seen has been scattered around everywhere, I feel like it'd be nearly impossible not to miss something.

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My printers from solidoodle have all came with 'getting started' pages that basically tell you the documentation is online... which is the same as several others I have got printer from, heck quite a bit of hardware you get these days is like this also... the last couple of usb network dongles I got came with a 1 inch by 4 inch piece of paper with a picture on one side and a web address on the opposite... that's all that was in the carton...not even a mini cd but then again I do buy the cheapest things I can find... Hmmmm, maybe there is some correlation there smile You get what you pay for...

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ronsii wrote:

My printers from solidoodle have all came with 'getting started' pages that basically tell you the documentation is online... which is the same as several others I have got printer from, heck quite a bit of hardware you get these days is like this also... the last couple of usb network dongles I got came with a 1 inch by 4 inch piece of paper with a picture on one side and a web address on the opposite... that's all that was in the carton...not even a mini cd but then again I do buy the cheapest things I can find... Hmmmm, maybe there is some correlation there smile You get what you pay for...

The trend is definitely to save a few trews and keep everything on the net.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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trew=tree... took a bit to figure out what a trew was smile

Although a friend of mine works as a logger and he is always happy to cut trees down as they are 100 percent renewable.

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I use this one. You will only need to do the firmware route (with the backlash installed) if you still have banding.

Lawsy's newest firmware does indeed have rincewind's z-wobble compensation but I do not believe that the printer ships with that firmware.  Check this thread for more information.  Start with one of the  backlashes fixes.

Your calibration steps so far are on point.  Posting photos of first layers going down and final prints can help the community to recommend any further tuning steps.

I'd love to see some photos of the aluminum bed and those bottom nuts.

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Crap.  I was hoping to avoid having to modify the Marlin code directly.  I guess that'll be my project for tomorrow.  I haven't noticed any significant banding, but I'd like to have this thing as calibrated as possible.

I'll try to get some pictures up soon.  They used those round nuts on everything.  There are even two sets of two nuts welded on the front frame along the left side.  It looks like hinge mounting points for a door, but they don't offer one on the SD3.

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If they can get the online documentation to be current, complete, and organized right for an "out of the box" experience and for the tech-savvy level of people who aren't quite ready to build their own Solidoodle but are perfectly ready to use one, havig no manual in the box is perfectly fine.  What they need in the box is a slip of paper that says two things: "the instructions are online", and "although your printer was calibrated and tested before shipping, you may need to do some calibrations before your first successful print".

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I don't think that anti-backlash device will work on my printer because the connection between the bed and z-screw is different on mine (see top picture).

Top of the aluminum bed:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YRInNFGAy4Q/UXvci3ZuDsI/AAAAAAAAGE4/jkS2D_llJr0/w640-h480/IMG_0003.JPG

Bottom of the bed:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bukcBn_IstI/UXvckh7xmbI/AAAAAAAAGE8/Mrh9bqHPG_A/w640-h480/IMG_0005.JPG

Round nuts on leveling screws:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bgEvm7oGsec/UXvckyn927I/AAAAAAAAGFA/GeQnhQdDKwA/w640-h480/IMG_0006.JPG

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the round nuts shouldn't be an issue with the levelling screws - they are designed to be screwed onto the bottom 4-5 threads of the exposed bolt *below* the round bits.. they are then glued on to allow you to twist *the bolt*... so just print em and glue-em on.

The anti-backlash solution is indeed rendered a bit difficult to use with the new setup... but if you use an oversized spring to force around the hole and a nut on top, it will achieve the same effect. The idea is to 'pre load' the platform, forcing it against one face of the threads... so a spring and a nut, or even a tightened nut with no spring (but not as effective) will work.

So there ya go - one problem solved (which was a non issue) and one problem with some ideas to try that will probably just work.

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adrian wrote:

the round nuts shouldn't be an issue with the levelling screws - they are designed to be screwed onto the bottom 4-5 threads of the exposed bolt *below* the round bits.. they are then glued on to allow you to twist *the bolt*... so just print em and glue-em on.

The anti-backlash solution is indeed rendered a bit difficult to use with the new setup... but if you use an oversized spring to force around the hole and a nut on top, it will achieve the same effect. The idea is to 'pre load' the platform, forcing it against one face of the threads... so a spring and a nut, or even a tightened nut with no spring (but not as effective) will work.

To be honest, I haven't felt the need to re-level my bed since I started using glass plates.  I just leveled it, then adjusted the Z-stop screw to accommodate the glass plate.  That shouldn't change the level, should it?

If you screw a nut tight to the aluminum bed, will it move up and down with the bed?  Also, if you just use a big spring, would that be enough to cause the nut to turn?  I'm having trouble visualizing how this works when the Z-screw turns.  I understand the concept, though.

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Actually, would this (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34397) work on the SD3 too?  I.e., are the upright supports the distance apart on the SD2 and SD3?  If anybody has done this mod, do you have a Lowes/HD part number for the spring you used?

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wilheldp wrote:

Actually, would this (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34397) work on the SD3 too?  I.e., are the upright supports the distance apart on the SD2 and SD3?  If anybody has done this mod, do you have a Lowes/HD part number for the spring you used?

Yes thats what I meant to add to my previous post - you use that part to secure the top nut and use any old spring of a reasonable tension to wedge against the top of the aluminium platform. And it does fit an SD3 as I've printed it and tested it on mine in the past.

The actual spring isn't important, its more just finding one that fits over the threaded rod but is still able to be trapped between the nut and the top of the platform. so something just a bit bigger than 5/16" would work. you dont want it to be bed spring tight, but you dont want one that is able to be compressed without some effort - since the whole point is to create a downward force to preload the aluminium platform against the lower faces of the threaded rod.

And as for relevlling - its not an everyday occurence, but I find I need to tweak it about once or twice a fortnight.. perhaps the screws walk a little more in the wooden platforms than the aluminium ones, but the thumb screws are more a convinence for allowing you to make changes with the glass bed installed on top which would ordinarily prevent access to the screw tops. If you are happy to adjust them from the top every fortnight or so, by all means, don't bother with them smile
TheRealTonyStark has a good post on his blog at http://therealtonystark.blogspot.com.au … grade.html that should help you visualise what you are trying to achieve (although the picture used to describe it is horizontal, it remains the same principle when vertically orientated smile )

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Before buying a Solidoodle 3rd generation printer, I really want to know if the software works on my Windows XP Laptop. I have tried installing the Repetier Host software on a factory restored acer ASPIRE ONE, but it never opens after installing and Windows error message comes up. Has anyone else had this problem? Those who can use the Repetier Host software, what version of Windows do you have? Does alternative software work?

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I'm running my SD2 on an Acer Aspire One (ZG5) w/ Win7, but I had repetier running on an old Compaq HP tower with XP as a dev box for model slicing.  No problems with it.

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Benjamin Weber wrote:

Before buying a Solidoodle 3rd generation printer, I really want to know if the software works on my Windows XP Laptop. I have tried installing the Repetier Host software on a factory restored acer ASPIRE ONE, but it never opens after installing and Windows error message comes up. Has anyone else had this problem? Those who can use the Repetier Host software, what version of Windows do you have? Does alternative software work?

I don't use RH, but I have read that it needs .Net Framework 3.5 SP1.

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Leghk wrote:
Benjamin Weber wrote:

Before buying a Solidoodle 3rd generation printer, I really want to know if the software works on my Windows XP Laptop. I have tried installing the Repetier Host software on a factory restored acer ASPIRE ONE, but it never opens after installing and Windows error message comes up. Has anyone else had this problem? Those who can use the Repetier Host software, what version of Windows do you have? Does alternative software work?

I don't use RH, but I have read that it needs .Net Framework 3.5 SP1.

It does.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Benjamin Weber wrote:

Before buying a Solidoodle 3rd generation printer, I really want to know if the software works on my Windows XP Laptop. I have tried installing the Repetier Host software on a factory restored acer ASPIRE ONE, but it never opens after installing and Windows error message comes up. Has anyone else had this problem? Those who can use the Repetier Host software, what version of Windows do you have? Does alternative software work?

I have the software installed on Win XP Acer Travelmate with 2 gigs mem and it runs fine.... Also on my Win7 64 pro 4Brainer, also runs fine...

www.designerfred.fr      before: Solidoodle 2 + E3D v6 now: MeCreator II and OLO 3D

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I tend to disagree with the OP. I am new to Solidoodle but am fairly comfortable on a makerbot. I have done my research, and knew what was wrong with a solidoodle prior to ordering it. When I took it out of the box mine was dead on arrival due to a cheap power supply (I can understand this, 12v 12.5A is not a cheap switching power supply, and the price for a solidoodle is very good, but the parts that matter are cheap). After replacing the PSU, I started it up, calibrated it, and could not get a decent print. Without covering the bed, and putting plexiglass/cardboard over the openings the heated bed doesnt go above 80C.

That means prints don't stick, which means it doesn't work out of the box.

I am not trying to say anything negative about Solidoodle. I was going to build a reprap, and for relatively close to the same price as the kit the SD3 comes assembled with a better frame, and great print envelope. It has a great community, lots of mods, and the community has solutions to all of its short comings. Additionally the support has been really good.

It didn't print out of the box for me, and still doesn't print for that matter. After enough tuning I know that it will produce quality prints.

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gathem wrote:

It didn't print out of the box for me, and still doesn't print for that matter. After enough tuning I know that it will produce quality prints.

I am the OP, and I think you missed my point.  While the unit is somewhat functional out of the box, it requires a lot of tweaking and modding to make it useable.  There are some common deal-breaking failures (burned out hot ends, failed PSUs, etc) that make it completely unusable out of the box, but for the most part, it will print things on day 1.

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Fair enough, if by out of the box you meant you had to buy things and attach it then I completely agree
: )

Again, no disrespect to you or the good people at SD. I have a printer that has an extruder and x/y/z. That was my goal, thats what I got, and any minute now I will have some usable prints.

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None taken.  I just didn't want you to think I was an SD cheerleader.  I think the SD is a good printer at its price point, but "out of the box printing" is borderline false advertising.

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wilheldp wrote:

None taken.  I just didn't want you to think I was an SD cheerleader.  I think the SD is a good printer at its price point, but "out of the box printing" is borderline false advertising.

+1

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