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yeah, i am pretty sure I have the carriage stls - again, on the other computer - will check either tonight or Thursday for you.

Highly recommend printing them in ABS if possible.

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here is the stl file for the wheel carriages that Sintron uses... (wheel trucks)

also including the part that the rods & belts attach to....(belt carriage)

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178 (edited by MacPara 2015-11-27 15:30:58)

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Thank you, Heartless! And Happy Thanksgiving!
I did complete the basic calibration of my modified Kossel and am ready to try some filament today. I just need to get some blue tape on and adjust the Z offset to adapt for the tape. Once PLA prints and verifies that the scaling is right, I will try ABS.

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

179 (edited by MacPara 2015-11-30 17:42:10)

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What an interesting few days I spent with my Kossel. After spending almost a day understanding and performing a very thorough calibration, the first prints in PLA looked pretty good. The pictures are still on my phone, so you just have to trust me on the quality for now.

Here's what I learned during calibration:

- check your tower motors are assigned correctly. When looking from the hotend down on the print bed, the sequence should be XYZ in a counter-clockwise arrangement. If not, you will have mirrored movement on some cartesian axes, i.e. if you swap the X and Y motors (YXZ in CCW sequence) you'll print with an inverted X coordinate axis.
- determine the max z height at 0,0 first
- determine the delta_radius by finding the tower spot that has the least amount of deviation from ZMAX at origin and then tune DELTA_RADIUS with "M665 R" until the tower spot matches ZMAX.
- Then adjust the end stop offsets at the other two tower spots with M666 . They will have to be negative.
- Now I think it should not be the case but I had to reiterate this procedure about 5 times before all the values settled. It appears that there is some cross-talk between those numbers, so doing the M665 and M666 settings then affects what your ZMAX is. Adjusting the ZMAX will then require to go through the radius and endstop settings again.

Once I settled on repeatable numbers, I printed a few parts and found that the FT hotend leaves a lot to be desired. Mine was not very stable in terms of tip position which caused a few prints go sour because of the tip "re-adjusting" itself and latterally shifting some layers. I found a solution to that issue and I have a rock solid tip now.
Then I found that the hotend is leaking. PLA is squeezing out on top of the hotend, probably between the threaded rod and the heatsink it is screwed into. As the rod is not bottoming out when screwed into the coldend, I am not surprised. Actually, you can screw the hotend into the heatsink until it touches the lowest fin of it. Of course, at that point the coldend is not so cold anymore and the hotend will not reach 185 degC as the heatsink wicks the heat away.
Once I added a cork washer in between the two parts, that worked a lot better while stabilizing the tip position as well.
During prints of more than an hour, the little 40mm fan can just barely keep the coldend cool enough at PLA temps and so I refrained from trying ABS yet. Clearing a clogged coldend because of retracting melted plastic into it is not enough fun to do it again.
On large flat areas I can see a variation in the extrusion thickness that follows a pattern. I am not sure where this is coming from but I have to figure this out as it builds up obstacles the tip runs into during the continued print.

Other than that I am pretty happy with the Kossel. The modifications I made to the tower wheel trucks and the build height all worked out well and made the positioning very precise and repeatable. I have an original E3D v6 on order and am looking forward to installing it. Hopefully this will get rid of the hotend issues. Once that's done I might have a pretty decent printer.

The next thing would clearly be fixing the "issue" with the small print bed diameter. :-)

Oh, and I removed the inductive probe. G29 takes a ridiculous amount of time for a somewhat accurate measurement. Emphasis is on "somewhat". If you do your calibration right, there is really no need for the G29 stuff, in my eyes.

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

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Congrats on getting it up and running. smile  they are a bit of a pain to get dialed in, but it is all worth it in the end.

I ditched the inductive sensor as well - using a glass plate to print on, the sensor was of no use anyway.
I also went straight to the E3D Lite 6 i already had on hand, so couldnt tell you if the stock one is any good or not, LOL

What I really need to do is work up a part cooling fan for the kossel so I can print better overhangs

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Any body want my FT 3rd release kossel. It has a PICO hot end. Make me an offer. Just needs some tweaking and the flatness dialed in. Also has a nrw 75 amp power supply.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Any body want my FT 3rd release kossel. It has a PICO hot end. Make me an offer. Just needs some tweaking and the flatness dialed in. Also has a nrw 75 amp power supply.

Oh, man! Carl, you are selling yours NOW that I have put all the work in in getting mine running?! :-) Could have just bought yours a month ago....

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

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During a print run, after finishing a just-in-case backup effector, the nozzle clogged again on the "original" FT hotend. Not really the nozzle but apparently the PLA melted in the coldend again as the nozzle still slowly drips plastic while hot but pushing or pulling on the filament doesn't do anything but giving you a springy feeling on it.
I won't even bother with this PoC anymore and just wait until I get my E3D tomorrow. I think I'll replace the PLA effector at that point too as I am inclined to try some ABS soon and it will probably just deform when I do. I already have an aluminum effector from OpenBeam in hand and so why not swap the thing out altogether. I will have to do a full re-calibration anyway.

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

184 (edited by MacPara 2015-12-06 20:23:30)

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The original E3D-v6 is installed - along with the aluminum effector from OpenBeam - but it took me a while getting everything back to good working order. The calibration was a bit more involved as the radius had changed due to the different effector but the most time was spent on getting the hotend to work right.
After a while of head scratching, I found out that apparently the temperature reading between the FT hotend and the E3D differs a lot. So when I used to print with the FT one at 185C just fine, I now needed to get up to 200C to get the same result. Actually 205C seems to be the sweet spot right now with white Hatchbox PLA. The layers are bonding great and the finish looks really good.
Another effect I had to work through was really bad stringing. With the FT hotend and 2mm retraction (which contributed to the frequent jams I was seeing) I got hair like stringing that was easily removed. Now I got strings that were very thick and messed up the finish of the parts. I am still in the process of determining the right amount without introducing jams again.
I was down to 3.5mm with very thin hair like stringing on some parts, and I am currently using 4mm on a retraction calibration piece http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:607968. I am printing it right now and it looks like there is still some very fine hair left. I am pretty concerned about introducing jams again, so I wonder what others are using for retraction with the E3D hotend.

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

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did you change the thermistor table in the firmware to the one specified by E3D?

that aside, yeah, the temps are very different. I run PLA at around 215C - so far have only run Inland brand thru my Lite6 on the kossel - havent ever used hatchbox PLA altho I have used their ABS

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186 (edited by MacPara 2015-12-07 15:10:34)

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heartless wrote:

did you change the thermistor table in the firmware to the one specified by E3D?

Oh, yeah, I changed that to 5 as their assembly instructions requested.
That stringing problem is a bit annoying. I am at 5mm retraction now and tried various temperatures to see if it was related. I did a calibration thing around 5 times with temps from 185 up 216C all with 5mm and they look like identical copies of each other. All with very fine but consistent stringing. Can I really go beyond 5mm retraction without causing other issues?

I printed a few ojbects with slight overhang and noticed that I might need a bed fan or slow down prints to help cooling the extruded plastic. It looks like overhangs printed with little amount of cooling of the layers tend to sag a bit.

BTW, one last calibration issue I am seeing is that my printed parts are not quite of perfect size. The nickel calibration thing http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11270 would almost allow the nickel to go in but not quite. The same with the S thing http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:342198. Is this a problem of steps per mm? Or what else should I try to tweak to get these things printed correctly?

UPDATE: I think I should have better read the details about the S calibration thing. There's a whole article about how to calibrate your printer to print accurate parts.... Now how that applies to deltas will be another story. LOL!

Folger Tech Kossel 2020 Rev. B (in calibration), 1st time builder.
Raised the verticals to 1000mm and diagonal rods to 257mm,
Sintron carriages with Delrin wheels and original E3D-v6.

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wow, 5mm of retraction? that seems a bit much...

i have my lite 6 set at 3mm i believe... works pretty well there

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
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