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TheBaron wrote:

Easy way to verify good thermistor or not is to take a hair dryer and blow on the hot end. You should see the temperature go up in repetier-host. If it does, problem is with the heater cartridge. A new heating cartridge (12v) will run you about $8 on amazon, and will include the wiring and everything going all the way back to the boardset. If you really want to make sure the heater cartridge is bad, you can wire it directly to the 12v incoming that goes to your board, then plug it in. The heater will get hot pretty damn fast, so be ready to unplug as soon as you can tell if it's heating up. Polarity doesn't matter.

If the temp doesn't go up, it's a thermistor or thermistor wire. A pack of them is around $10 on ebay, and you can use any wire as long as it can handle the heat. If you want to make sure that it's the thermistor and not the board, you can set your multimeter to resistance and measure across the thermistor. Do the hair dryer trick and you should see the resistance change.

Edit: One common failure point I see for heater cartridges (if they aren't taped properly and secured) is where the wires join the cartridge. There isn't any strain relief there, so if it gets wiggled back and forth too much it will simply snap off. Not much to do at that point except use some high temp solder or replace the cartridge.


can just the heat cartrage be swapped out on the SD2 hot end?

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Have you tested the resistance of the heater cartridge?  Use the Wiki here and scroll down to the "testing the Hot End" section:

http://wiki.solidoodle.com/multimeter-testing

If is is bad, aside from upgrading the entire hot end, I think the least expensive route you can go is to swap out the entire heat block:

http://www.solidoodle.com/parts/parts-S … -heat-core

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

Perhaps check the connections on the motherboard.  My bed quit heating once...volts, but still no heat.  A bad connection at the printrboard wasn't letting current pass to the heater.

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

I'm not sure if the heating element can be swapped on the SD2 without swapping out the whole heater block. That type of tape is called Kapton tape. It's a heat resistant polidymide tape with a silicone adhesive, and can be had fairly cheaply online. Should be gold in color.

IronMan's link will get you to the right block.

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

as I posted above it has 12 volts to where the short leads on head plug in when trying to heat  extruder.

my head besides just captan tape also has some black tape with threads of fiber in it wrapped around the end and covering block all but tip of nozzle.

I found the new 40watt fire cracker like heaters on ebay here in the states with leads on them 5 for under $10 total with 1 week shipping. cant find just the block assm short of a complete MK2 hot end for $35 total shipped ebay or $40+ Amazon. looks like it is a drop in replacement just a bit wider heater block to accommodate inserting the new heater cartridge and thermistor which has a hole pocket now. can those heater blocks be ground down at all on corners to keep them from sticking out so far that they interfear with the gcode cooling fan shroud?

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also Ironman I read an earlier thread from Arrien that Solidoodle no longer sells just the heater. only complete hot ends at over $54 with shipping and no warranty so he is done with Solidoodles crap service as am I. Arien also linked a source for those worthless resister heaters if you can get them out, but he said he was able to ream out the original block with a 6mm drill bit and installed the new heater cartridge though they stick out a bit each side he said they work great and he dont recommend messing with the old style that burns out so easy.
I just didnt want to completely disassemble the extruder and go through all the recalibrations, assembly etc with filament still stuck inside risking damaging other parts also. if I could just replace the bad heater with it still installed as many can do now with the MK2 and newer.

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

I actually may have an old heater block that is used but still good that I would be willing to part with...let me check my stuff tonight and I may be able to help you out...

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n2ri,

I'm getting ready to replace my stock SD4 hot end with a E3Dv6.  I don't know if it will fit, but you're welcome to have my stock one. 

If you get stuck troubleshooting your SD2, I'll make you this offer:  I'll drive over and meet you at the hobby store, pick up your SD2, and take it home to troubleshoot and repair.  It will be a couple of weeks before I'm available though; I have two weeks of military training starting this weekend.

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If Iron Man can't help, PM me, I'm pretty sure I still have the original SD2 block assy.  I know I clipped the resistor wires about an inch back, but they should be able to be re-soldered.  I won't be using it.

LMK

Ski

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Thanks Guys,
I just got done with honey does for today and ohmed heater its OL the black insulation is 2 dif sizes of hi heat rubber bands with fiberglass cloth inside so they just slip off and on. got the old heat resister out and the hole through block is 4.9mm with room around it to bore it out to 6mm with room to spare. its 13.7mm thick so pnly like 3mm will stick out each end from the new heater cartridges, so I am going to Homedepot etc to buy a single 6mm drill bit as MM is the only drill index I dont own besides alphabit letter set lol. then I will order the heaters off ebay and in about a week when they arrive I should be back in biz. ;^) I will ream out hole for new heaters, install, wrap with Captan, reinstall rubber insulation, splice wires to quick connect wires and plug in. plus have 4 spares for me or whom ever on hand for next time (theres always a next time). the heat block is on so that the hole is pointed at front of printer too, lucky me huh. lol

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I may get Dremel out and take the sharp corners off the block while it opened up so it dont rub on my part cooling fan shroud too. then I can think about getting board pins ready to plug that in so my tiny bridges do better. I been printing the heck out of N scale vehicles lately. building inventory for sales at shows and the web

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

Glad you have a solution and action plan!

I did check my parts and I do have an original heater block if you still need it or run into difficulty with your fix...let me know by PM if you do.

Also, the Home Depot in my area does not stock Metric bits...maybe different in St. Louis...but 15/64" would be your closest inch size coming in at .2344" vs 6mm which is .2362...

Good luck!

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IronMan wrote:

Glad you have a solution and action plan!

I did check my parts and I do have an original heater block if you still need it or run into difficulty with your fix...let me know by PM if you do.

Also, the Home Depot in my area does not stock Metric bits...maybe different in St. Louis...but 15/64" would be your closest inch size coming in at .2344" vs 6mm which is .2362...

Good luck!

yep, I also have a large can of special drill bits from factories I am gonna mic for closest fit. some have a pilot tip with 1 thread size smaller bit 1st 1/4" to hold centered as I turn it by hand in a pinvise since block is soft.

anybody on here build aluminum Airplanes? I have my father inlaws old 5/16" rivet countersink and grinder bits from McDonell Douglas when he worked on the space capsules. I wont need them and would trade them for something I could use for my Printer. they are both multi-part tools with spring loaded skirts etc and fit 1/4" chucks

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anyone on here have any dealings with this hotend heater cartridge or this seller with other items he sells?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331426648523?_t … EBIDX%3AIT

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btw I used some Dremel Carbide Burrs very near 6mm dia and reamed out the heater block on my SD2 without taking it off/apart from extruder and it worked very well. now just waiting on cartridges to get here to install and try out so I can get printer back online making items. heater pocket is 5.4mm dia atm and still enough left on outside edge to use cone burr to open it to 6.29mm if needed for new cartridges without breaking through edge of block. should still have about 0.89mm thin wall on outside edge even then. atm its 1.29mm. lol close tolerances but doable to upgrade factory heater block with MK2 style heater at least.

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n2ri wrote:

not sure why there are 2 temp reading lines for both bed and extruder. no place tells what the lines represent I just learned some the last 2 years watching it.

The thin red line is actual temp reading, the wider orange is an average over time...

same with the bed temps - the thin line is actual reading, the thicker line is an average.

(figured this out by playing with the visibility settings)

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i'm surprised you got the stock heat resister to go this long before it failed. mine failed somewhere around 16 days after delivery of my SD2...

if you replace the resistor with a heater cartridge there's a setting in the marlin firmware you need to change to limit max current to the heater, otherwise the overshoot from your stock PID values will always put the printer into fail safe before you can get an auto tune... i can look up the parameter in the config.h when i get home from work tonight if you need.

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not familiar with firmware stuff. how many watts is the original heater resister? it too just goes by thermister readings and varies a few degrees +/- til printing. extruder always heated much faster than bed. wish I could find a better,faster more even bed heater too

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Re: SD2 sudenly stopped heating extruder mid print without warning or kill

n2ri wrote:

not familiar with firmware stuff. how many watts is the original heater resister? it too just goes by thermister readings and varies a few degrees +/- til printing. extruder always heated much faster than bed. wish I could find a better,faster more even bed heater too

there is a better and faster bed heater...  i upgraded my sd2pro with a PCB heater and the heat is much faster and more even. you'll need an upgraded power supply with 40A @ 12V and a small mod to your stock sanguinololu board to power it tho.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Geeetech152x152x … 4addb590d7

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I am already signed into ebay but when I go to that link it says ebay.ca in adress bar and wants me to signin again? seems like a spoof page

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so Canada ebay is not same as regular ebay? thought it was world wide

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.ca use to mean CAmen islands was server base with many bad web sites

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that heater is 140w 12v and even after ignoring the wrong dimensions on 1 drawing the hole spacing is a couple mm off from SD2 bed. is this the one you used? and did you mount it under aluminum bed or on top with glass over it? I already done glass on mine so that would be nice if possible then warnings lettering would show through

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n2ri wrote:

that heater is 140w 12v and even after ignoring the wrong dimensions on 1 drawing the hole spacing is a couple mm off from SD2 bed. is this the one you used? and did you mount it under aluminum bed or on top with glass over it? I already done glass on mine so that would be nice if possible then warnings lettering would show through

yes the mounting hole spacing is a little off, i reamed out the hole with a larger drill bit so the bolts would go through. i have mine installed under the aluminum because the thermistor has to go underneath the pcb heater and it would make the bed uneven.

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Ghostling wrote:
n2ri wrote:

that heater is 140w 12v and even after ignoring the wrong dimensions on 1 drawing the hole spacing is a couple mm off from SD2 bed. is this the one you used? and did you mount it under aluminum bed or on top with glass over it? I already done glass on mine so that would be nice if possible then warnings lettering would show through

yes the mounting hole spacing is a little off, i reamed out the hole with a larger drill bit so the bolts would go through. i have mine installed under the aluminum because the thermistor has to go underneath the pcb heater and it would make the bed uneven.

mount it above the aluminum with spacers on the four corners to allow room for the thermistor & wiring, then put a glass plate on top of it.
A thin sheet of cork between the heat plate & the aluminum will help too (with a notch cut for wiring clearance), sending the heat upward instead of letting the aluminum absorb any of it.

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