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Topic: Extruder not heating

stuck at 25 degrees?

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I would check for a broken wires or maybe a plug came loose.

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I actually have the same problem, does anyone know how to address this? it won't heat up at all and stays to 30 degrees. I'm not familiar with how to work these things so if anyone can give a noob translation of how to fix this that would be super appreciated. I've seen some pictures, but don't know what i'm supposed to be looking for/replugging..

Any help would be really appreciated sad

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This is a very common problem on the 1.0 it seems. Hence the 1.0A with new connector, I presume.

I had the problem shortly after taking possession of my 1.0.

Customer support were helpful in that they were very responsive the first day. But every escalation took 3 days after that. They definitely try and help, but need to increase their speed of getting to resolution from my perspective.

Their solution was to forward a new extruded heater with connector ( same one that doesn't work well) once I had RMA'd the one in the printer. Very slow and tedious with at least a week or two offline for the printer Ugh.

The issue is that the connector is very cheap and the pins are not of high quality. They move in the plastic connector housing thus breaking the connection. The solution I found was to add a conductor to one side of the female connector that will then make the connection between the pin on the male side ( from the board) to the connector pin in the female. I actually used the leg of a resistor, just cut down to size, pushed into the female side. Since then it's been printing like a charm!

Alternative solution would be to just cut the connector out of the loop and solder the wires together. Honestly when are you going to need to replace the heater? If you do, then just cut the wires again and resolder, but that's somewhat more radical.

Hope that helps.

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Hi Neilarmstrong,

First of all thank you very much for replying to my post. It's my first post on this site actually, as i'm trying to learn the ropes of fixing these things or troubleshooting them.

Hmm a few very noob questions:
1. what is RMA'd?
2. So the issue really is with the black connector thing, and a solution would be to open it and solder the wires together? (game for this if you think it's not too hard to do)
3. I hear these terms a lot but i'm really unsure what the "female connector:" and the " male side" are. I understand if it's trouble for you to post pictures, but yeah if you have time any reference would be super awesome. i'm looking at the printer but have no idea where those things are exactly O_O (or the board for that matter). i swear i've been looking around these forums for some time now but haven't really confirmed to myself where these things are on the 1.0.

I'm currently on one of those 3 day waiting periods from xyz, but if they do suggest a new extruder heater (which i need to ship back to asia (where i am)), will they help me know how to install it?

I know these are all pretty basic, but i guess i have to start somewhere right smile Thanks again man, really appreciate the help!

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kristofhaoko wrote:

Hi Neilarmstrong,

First of all thank you very much for replying to my post. It's my first post on this site actually, as i'm trying to learn the ropes of fixing these things or troubleshooting them.

Hmm a few very noob questions:
1. what is RMA'd?
2. So the issue really is with the black connector thing, and a solution would be to open it and solder the wires together? (game for this if you think it's not too hard to do)
3. I hear these terms a lot but i'm really unsure what the "female connector:" and the " male side" are. I understand if it's trouble for you to post pictures, but yeah if you have time any reference would be super awesome. i'm looking at the printer but have no idea where those things are exactly O_O (or the board for that matter). i swear i've been looking around these forums for some time now but haven't really confirmed to myself where these things are on the 1.0.

I'm currently on one of those 3 day waiting periods from xyz, but if they do suggest a new extruder heater (which i need to ship back to asia (where i am)), will they help me know how to install it?

I know these are all pretty basic, but i guess i have to start somewhere right smile Thanks again man, really appreciate the help!


RMA'd = Return Manufacturer Authorization. In short did you get them to tell you to send it back and give you a number to write on the package or paper work. In most cases the manufacturer has to give permission and assign you a number before you can just return a bad product.

On point 2 I would just replace the connector with something more durable. Go to Home Depot or Lowes and ask for male and female bullet connectors. You need the red ones. They are color coded based on wire size. The blue ones in my attached image are too large for the wire size used in the printer.  All you need is wire stripper and crimps which most are cheap and in the same tool.  The issue with soldering is the off chance you ever have to remove the head for deep cleaning with acetone you will have a harder time doing so. 

On point 3 it just like humans.. The male side is the part that goes in, and the female side is the part that receives the male part. When we talk about connectors, we are talking purely about the metal part that actually conducts the electricity. Some have a plastic shell where one will slip into the other. Do not pay attention to the shell. Male and female refers strictly to the internal metal parts... See the below image for reference the bottom is male and the top is the female and are the actual connectors I referenced in point 2.

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Hi Guys,

I have the same  problem now, till now no answer from Customer support . So does anyone have a video link of the extruder replacement or heat cartridge replacement?

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Thanks Carl!,

I get it a little more now and I had a filament roll replaced before where they gave me an RMA so now it registers (sorry it must have totally gotten lost).

Regarding your suggestion for point two though, i'll go check out my hardware store and see if i can get these things, but again the noobness strikes -> What would i do exactly with the pair of male and female bullet connectors, and the wire stripper and crimps (i know, horribly basic questions, please excuse).

Super appreciate the help and the lesson though, now it's becoming a little clearer. This forum's pretty awesome regardless of how this issue turns out. I should have probably joined earlier..

Anyway, looking forward to the advice on the noob questions above smile Really helpful guys!

carl_m1968 wrote:
kristofhaoko wrote:

Hi Neilarmstrong,

First of all thank you very much for replying to my post. It's my first post on this site actually, as i'm trying to learn the ropes of fixing these things or troubleshooting them.

Hmm a few very noob questions:
1. what is RMA'd?
2. So the issue really is with the black connector thing, and a solution would be to open it and solder the wires together? (game for this if you think it's not too hard to do)
3. I hear these terms a lot but i'm really unsure what the "female connector:" and the " male side" are. I understand if it's trouble for you to post pictures, but yeah if you have time any reference would be super awesome. i'm looking at the printer but have no idea where those things are exactly O_O (or the board for that matter). i swear i've been looking around these forums for some time now but haven't really confirmed to myself where these things are on the 1.0.

I'm currently on one of those 3 day waiting periods from xyz, but if they do suggest a new extruder heater (which i need to ship back to asia (where i am)), will they help me know how to install it?

I know these are all pretty basic, but i guess i have to start somewhere right smile Thanks again man, really appreciate the help!


RMA'd = Return Manufacturer Authorization. In short did you get them to tell you to send it back and give you a number to write on the package or paper work. In most cases the manufacturer has to give permission and assign you a number before you can just return a bad product.

On point 2 I would just replace the connector with something more durable. Go to Home Depot or Lowes and ask for male and female bullet connectors. You need the red ones. They are color coded based on wire size. The blue ones in my attached image are too large for the wire size used in the printer.  All you need is wire stripper and crimps which most are cheap and in the same tool.  The issue with soldering is the off chance you ever have to remove the head for deep cleaning with acetone you will have a harder time doing so. 

On point 3 it just like humans.. The male side is the part that goes in, and the female side is the part that receives the male part. When we talk about connectors, we are talking purely about the metal part that actually conducts the electricity. Some have a plastic shell where one will slip into the other. Do not pay attention to the shell. Male and female refers strictly to the internal metal parts... See the below image for reference the bottom is male and the top is the female and are the actual connectors I referenced in point 2.

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Hi, I bought mined back in August and now it started doing this last week, I haven't had much time to work on it but I emailed support last night about it.They sent me three pictures I attached , I already checked them before even contacting support and they're all in there nice and tight it appears. I'm thinking the connectors need to be changed, or wires broke. not sure how though as I don't touch much. I'm going to try unplugging and replugging everything back in later today.

@Carl_m1968: which connector did you replace with that connector?

as for the RMA I had my divinici for a few weeks and the printer glass cracked, I RMA'd and got it in a couple of days, maybe 4. I didn't have to pay a thing except shipping back the previous glass which cost 7$ through USPS. though I would rather not have to do that at all.

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kristofhaoko wrote:

Thanks Carl!,

I get it a little more now and I had a filament roll replaced before where they gave me an RMA so now it registers (sorry it must have totally gotten lost).

Regarding your suggestion for point two though, i'll go check out my hardware store and see if i can get these things, but again the noobness strikes -> What would i do exactly with the pair of male and female bullet connectors, and the wire stripper and crimps (i know, horribly basic questions, please excuse).

Super appreciate the help and the lesson though, now it's becoming a little clearer. This forum's pretty awesome regardless of how this issue turns out. I should have probably joined earlier..

Anyway, looking forward to the advice on the noob questions above smile Really helpful guys!

carl_m1968 wrote:
kristofhaoko wrote:

Hi Neilarmstrong,

First of all thank you very much for replying to my post. It's my first post on this site actually, as i'm trying to learn the ropes of fixing these things or troubleshooting them.

Hmm a few very noob questions:
1. what is RMA'd?
2. So the issue really is with the black connector thing, and a solution would be to open it and solder the wires together? (game for this if you think it's not too hard to do)
3. I hear these terms a lot but i'm really unsure what the "female connector:" and the " male side" are. I understand if it's trouble for you to post pictures, but yeah if you have time any reference would be super awesome. i'm looking at the printer but have no idea where those things are exactly O_O (or the board for that matter). i swear i've been looking around these forums for some time now but haven't really confirmed to myself where these things are on the 1.0.

I'm currently on one of those 3 day waiting periods from xyz, but if they do suggest a new extruder heater (which i need to ship back to asia (where i am)), will they help me know how to install it?

I know these are all pretty basic, but i guess i have to start somewhere right smile Thanks again man, really appreciate the help!


RMA'd = Return Manufacturer Authorization. In short did you get them to tell you to send it back and give you a number to write on the package or paper work. In most cases the manufacturer has to give permission and assign you a number before you can just return a bad product.

On point 2 I would just replace the connector with something more durable. Go to Home Depot or Lowes and ask for male and female bullet connectors. You need the red ones. They are color coded based on wire size. The blue ones in my attached image are too large for the wire size used in the printer.  All you need is wire stripper and crimps which most are cheap and in the same tool.  The issue with soldering is the off chance you ever have to remove the head for deep cleaning with acetone you will have a harder time doing so. 

On point 3 it just like humans.. The male side is the part that goes in, and the female side is the part that receives the male part. When we talk about connectors, we are talking purely about the metal part that actually conducts the electricity. Some have a plastic shell where one will slip into the other. Do not pay attention to the shell. Male and female refers strictly to the internal metal parts... See the below image for reference the bottom is male and the top is the female and are the actual connectors I referenced in point 2.


The one in your second and third image is the one that fails and needs to be replaced.

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So I know it's been a while since my last post I've been busy, I finally got my connectors replaced with the vinyl bullet connectors. they're making contact but my extruder still won't heat past 25C it's quite disheartening. Is there anything else I can check or replace to see what could be causing it?

unfortunately I don't have hardware to check the voltages, I'm not even sure what to buy for that. I really like this printer It would be a shame for me to have to scrap it. when it was working it worked good. The wire is crimped in nice and tight. I had my grandfather come over and help with it because he used to do electrician work. My friend who was supposed to help would always have an excuse.

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Wiil it not heat or does it just measure 25c all the time? Try using a hair dryer and letting it blow on the nozzle for a bit to see if the temp rises. If it still does not rise then the issue is not the heater, but the thermistor.

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It starts at 20 and heats to 24/25 jumps back and forth for a few hours then sits at 25. I'll try the hairdryer trick to see if it goes higher.

sorry about the late reply.

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This happened to me this week...  put a test light on the heating wires and I was getting 12v power to the plug.  Cut the wires and used a crimp connector, it works fine now.

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Sorry again, it's been awhile, I've been trying a bunch of different things, I took the vinyl bullet connectors off and removed twisted them together, still nothing. I tried the Hair dryer trick and it went up higher. so I'm not sure what else it could be. I just bought a new extruder from xyz to see if that's the problem, also the replacement extruder looks like it's a lot better quality than the one that came with it.

any recommendations on what type of connector I should use. the Vinyl connectors seemed a bit loose and pulled off easily even though they were crimped down til they were flat.

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I'm thinking the same a carl_m1968 it sounds like the thermistor

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Do you know where it is or what it looks like so I can check it out? is it part of the extruder head?

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The hole on the left is the hole that the thermistor sits in you should see 2 wires coming out

http://soliforum.com/i/?NsDQWmH.jpg

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E3Dv6 hotend with custom carriage with Borosilicate glass bed
123D Design and Simplify3D, Replaced PS with a Solidgear Flex320
Zerokart resetter,  Installed a Extruder Controller for higher temps

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kev0175 wrote:

The hole on the left is the hole that the thermistor sits in you should see 2 wires coming out

http://soliforum.com/i/?NsDQWmH.jpg


On some models it will also come out of the side. but you still should be able to find it by two very thin white wires. They are often mistaken for stuck on filament.

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So appearently magic just happened, I was checking them out, and I felt to in to make sure they were tight, then I grabbed the hair dryer to check to see if anything changed and the temperature started to go up. I ran a clean nozzle and it extruded fine to clean it out and seems to be holding temperature right, so im trying to print the xyz keychain to see how that goes.

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Sounds like it was shorting against the heat block and you moving it cleared the short. The issue now is the same movement that caused it could do it again.

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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.