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Topic: E3D v6 Clicking

Hello,

I finally installed the E3Dv6 onto my DaVinci and everything so far is working except for one thing.

After about an hour of printing, the filament Jams and the extruder starts to click.

Has anyone encountered this?

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jasonb.194 wrote:

Hello,

I finally installed the E3Dv6 onto my DaVinci and everything so far is working except for one thing.

After about an hour of printing, the filament Jams and the extruder starts to click.

Has anyone encountered this?

Sounds like a connection issue with the heater and the hot end is cooling.

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I am doing some tests but it looks like it may be to excessive retraction. My slicer was set up at 2mm, but the E3dv6 guide says you should only need .5-1 mm. I set it to .5 and am running another test print.

I am pretty sure its not the heater block as both RH and the display show it not loosing heat and I doubt both the thermistor and the heater block are having issues.

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PLA? Direct drive? 2mm is too much if the answer to both questions is yes.

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Yes to both

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I'm having the same issue with PLA.  It's getting quite frustrating as thats why I bought the E3d

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Don't be frustrated, give us information so we can help.

What temperature?
Is the fan hardwired to continuous 12v?
Is the PTFE liner fully seated?
How much retraction are you using?
Have you flashed the firmware for a new thermistor? What thermistor setting did you select?

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I have tried printing at the following temps: 190, 210, 220, 230 (Filament supplier recommends this temp), and I am not trying 250 as the suggestion of a user over at Voltivo.

The 12v fan has its own dedicated 12v supply (also used to power a layer fan, in parallel not series).
The PTFE liner is fully seated, and I even made sure to pull up the retaining ring so there is no room for wiggle.
I was originally using 2mm retraction as that was the default on my slicer, and have been using it with ABS without issue, I have since changed this to 0.5mm at the above temps.

As for the thermistor, I am using table 5 in rep.92. This is the same table used for the stock extruder. There are conflicting reports on what table should be used, due to the additional resistors on the main board.

I have noticed that the jam usually occurs after a layer change, so I am thinking it has to do with retraction and the filament being soft enough to stick in the heat break.
I am currently printing at 30mm/s. Which is slower than I was printing with ABS (60mm/s).
I will update when my 250c print is done.

I am printing the 3dHubs Marvin at 200% scale (8x volume of the original size) as my wife wanted one for her desk, I have gotten it to print as far as the small ring on top, at which point it jams a few layers up past the top of the head.

I have also disabled small parameter slow down as I am using a layer fan and this part of the model prints slow compared to the rest of it with this setting in the slicer enabled.

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I think your problem is the thermistor table. 5 is typical for Marlin, 8 is typical for Repetier, but the extra resistor on the main board throws those off.

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Hi All, I did a full print with no clicks by printing at 250C.

The issue seems to be the thermistor table being incorrect for the E3D. Looks like I will be dialing in the temp for any filaments I use, but at least I know it needs to be higher.

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I'm near same settings as above.  tried temps 190, 200, 210.
Printing at 50mm
Bed temp of 75
Using table 5 (no small pcb board)
Fan is on dedicated 12v
tried retract at 2mm and 1mm
Using Simplify3d

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I'm not sure that table 5 is correct. What makes you think it is?

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qtoppa wrote:

I'm near same settings as above.  tried temps 190, 200, 210.
Printing at 50mm
Bed temp of 75
Using table 5 (no small pcb board)
Fan is on dedicated 12v
tried retract at 2mm and 1mm
Using Simplify3d

Rather you use the small pcb or not, does not matter. It is simply a pass through for the fan and thermistor. There is a resistor on the mainboard that is the source of every ones woes. As long as you use the Da Vinci stock board there is no premade table for your setup. You have to make your own. Or run PID auto tune which I am not sure Repetier supports.

Just an fyi, with that resistor on the motherboard it makes your thermistor measure at 300k instead of 100 or 200k. So as you see there is no preset table for that value. The best you can do is set it for a known temp, measure yhe actual temp and then changr the set value to compensate.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

Or run PID auto tune which I am not sure Repetier supports.

Incorrect, PID autotune will not help in this case. PID autotune cannot correct for thermistor tables.

carl_m1968 wrote:

Just an fyi, with that resistor on the motherboard it makes your thermistor measure at 300k instead of 100 or 200k.

Also incorrect. According to:

http://voltivo.com/forum/davinci-firmwa … ruder#3631

R1 is in parallel with the thermistor, and has a value of 1k according to that link. The resistance of a 104GT-2 at say, 200C is 48ohms.

But with R1 in parallel, that's 45ohms total. 45 ohms is a hotter temperature than 48 ohms (about 207C), so the DaVinci will read hotter than actual.

Thermistor table 8 in Repetier will get you close - as noted above you'll be off by around 7 degrees in the range of temperatures 3D printers operate at. Thermistor table 5 is likely way off.

"Measure at 300k" is incorrect. That would require a resistor in series with the thermistor, which is not the case. Please avoid spreading incorrect information.

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elmoret wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Or run PID auto tune which I am not sure Repetier supports.

Incorrect, PID autotune will not help in this case. PID autotune cannot correct for thermistor tables.

carl_m1968 wrote:

Just an fyi, with that resistor on the motherboard it makes your thermistor measure at 300k instead of 100 or 200k.

Also incorrect. According to:

http://voltivo.com/forum/davinci-firmwa … ruder#3631

R1 is in parallel with the thermistor, and has a value of 1k according to that link. The resistance of a 104GT-2 at say, 200C is 48ohms.

But with R1 in parallel, that's 45ohms total. 45 ohms is a hotter temperature than 48 ohms (about 207C), so the DaVinci will read hotter than actual.

Thermistor table 8 in Repetier will get you close - as noted above you'll be off by around 7 degrees in the range of temperatures 3D printers operate at. Thermistor table 5 is likely way off.

"Measure at 300k" is incorrect. That would require a resistor in series with the thermistor, which is not the case. Please avoid spreading incorrect information.

Sorry, I'm just a noob requoting what I have seen in other places through google searches.  My bad.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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After some additional testing, and thoughts. I found that this looks to be a combination of my tempos being a bit too low, and lack of airflow for the E3dv6's cooling fan.  The lower half of the fan is pretty much blocked by the stock carriage.

I removed the carriage and dremmeled out a section so the entire fan is exposed.
http://soliforum.com/i/?mAPRTtR.jpg

I also found that i have to up my temp from the filaments recommended 230 to 235 to prevent any jams. This is better than the 250 I was printing at.

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I will try reflashing to table 8 and see if that improves it. 

I also already did the above to make sure airflow is better.  I looked at the e3d wiki.  Even with the cut out above and 12v power, my fins aren't cool to touch.  I suspect that might be the issue but don't know how I could make it cooler as I'm using the fan and fan clip that came with it.

I wonder if its better to print with the front door open?

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If your enclosure is hot, that'd be a problem.

PLA requires cool air through the fins. PLA does not require a heated enclosure to avoid warp.
ABS is less sensitive to cool air through the fins, but does require a heated enclosure.

Print with the door open and possibly a gentle fan to bring the enclosure temperature down, see if that solves it. If it does, you'll need to either print with an ambient temperature enclosure, or seriously step up the fan power.

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I tried using table 8 but the ambient temp showed -5 so I assumed it was wrong. 

I did finally have success by using table 5 at 200degf with doors open.  There was a noticeable different in temp of the fins with the door open.

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Again, as explained above, Table 8 will be the most accurate at printing temperatures. It will be very inaccurate at ambient temperatures. If you want to use table 5 that's fine, but your temperatures are even more incorrect at printing temps.

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elmoret wrote:

Again, as explained above, Table 5 will be the most accurate at printing temperatures. It will be very inaccurate at ambient temperatures. If you want to use table 5 that's fine, but your temperatures are even more incorrect at printing temps.


Uhm I like to read all the post for pointers and such. i am actually having some temp problems as well after changing to a Ramps so this thread interested me. But You confused me on that last statement or I am just reading it wrong. You seem to contradict yourself in it.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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It was a typo, now corrected.

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elmoret wrote:

Again, as explained above, Table 8 will be the most accurate at printing temperatures. It will be very inaccurate at ambient temperatures. If you want to use table 5 that's fine, but your temperatures are even more incorrect at printing temps.

Ah, thanks for your explanation.   It just shocked me when it said at ambient, i was in the negatives.  I'll try table 8 at printing temps.

Either way, opening the doors seem to keep the fins much cooler.