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Topic: Curaengine - Spiralize problem

Used spiralize contour for the first time.
Theres a seam on the side. Dont know where its coming from.

But most of all, NO INFILL. How do i get infill w/ spiralize ?

http://soliforum.com/i/?I8soEk6.jpg

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Re: Curaengine - Spiralize problem

What is the number of perimeters you have chosen? Are wall thickness depending on slicer. The wall thickness can only be an even multiple of your nozzle width to get proper infill.

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3 (edited by knucklbustr 2015-04-27 11:48:40)

Re: Curaengine - Spiralize problem

I dont see a Wall thickness or perimeter. This is Curaengine for Repetier.
I used 0.2mm quality, the actual model's wall is 2mm.
Infill- Shell thickness 0.8mm
Top/Bottom thickness- 1mm
Solid Top/Bottom Infill- ckd

Ok, done more searching on this subject, seems that the Z seam is an artifact of Spiralize.
And Spiralize prints w/ no infill. But can add a plugin, Swap at Z, in which cant do w/ Curaengine.

No wonder print time was cut in half.

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You also cant print a 2mm wall with a .8 shell thickness. You cant get 2mm by multiplying a .8 shell. Try changing to a .5 shell.

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In other words, wall 2mm / .4mm nozzle = .5mm shell
3.2mm wall / .4mm nozzle = .8mm shell
4mm wall / .4mm nozzle = 1mm shell

Correct ?

What is the reason for this ?

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Re: Curaengine - Spiralize problem

Correct. The reason is the printer csn control the layer height based on the movement of the z axis. But the only way to control wall thickness is your flow rate which is static and some fuzzy math between your nozzle diameter and the layer thickness. A .3mm layer thickness should yield around a .48mm thick wall on a properly calibrated machine. A .2mm layer will follow the same math.

Yes flowrate can be changed but during the print it remains at that setting unless you change it or the gcode changes it.

So in a nut shell you want to design your walls so can be evenly divided by your nozzle diameter or you may find gaps where the extrusion may not meet the previous wall, or when doing solid infill the infill may not make full contact with the wall.

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Extrusion rate is 60% increase over layer thickness ? Is that some type of standard ?

And when you say design your wall, is that the actual model thickness or perimeter thickness ?
To have an infill there must be 2 perimeters, combined is wall thickness.

In Curaengine if want a solid wall, no infill, do you input 0 for Shell Thickness ?



Just printed an ABS 40x40 L bracket .2 layer, shell .5
Breaks easily between layers. This ABS black is not easy to print. Ill try slower speed and temp increase.
But, Again that rough Z seam on the corner where slicer changes travel.

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The way it was explained to me is you first want to run a test. To do this print a single wall cube with no infill. This way you just get a cube with one perimeter. There are some you can download on Thingiverse. print that with a .3mm layer thickness. What this will do is tell you what your actual print width is. Once you know this then you can figure out how many perimeter you can allow in a models wall and such.

Lets say you want to print a cup with a 3mm wall. Lets say you find out your print width for a .3mm layer is .40mm just hypothetical numbers here. What you would want to do is divide the cups wall thickness (3mm) by the known perimeter value (.4mm). You could make the cups wall with 7.5 perimeters of course you can't print a half perimeter so you can't make the wall with all perimeters. So what we would do is use 3 perimeters. That will put 3 on the outside and three on the inside and then the slicer would infill the space between which would be .6mm which may or may not fill to the edges since .6 won't really divide by .4. Yo may have a .2mm gap between the infill and the perimeters and again you may not.

But you get an idea of how the math works.

I would also not use the spiral function on anything but round objects with single perimeter walls such as a vase. It is supposed to make a continuous extrusion but can't because you are not printing a round object and your object has multiple perimeters..

If you hover your mouse over the various settings there should be a tooltip that pops up and explains what the function does and what it would normally be for.

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9 (edited by knucklbustr 2015-04-29 15:32:09)

Re: Curaengine - Spiralize problem

Ok much appreciated. Ill do some test prints to better understand.

The L bracket was printed w/out Spiralize.
Decreased perimeter speed from 40-20. That got rid of the bad corner.


Test prints
Printed 0 Infill Shell Thickness, 0.3 layer ht.  btw- the Shell Thickness input space turned red ?
Slicer preview shows infill ?
http://soliforum.com/i/?FQRuGhJ.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?TXFUuvj.jpg

20x20x3mm = 3.06mm wall measured   3/3.06 = 0.98
20x20x2mm = 2.20 wall measured    2/2.20 = 0.91
20x20x1mm = 1.21 wall measured   1/1.21 = 0.83

Now what ?

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I assume you are using Rep Host. If so, dont use the cura slicer initially. Use the Slic3r engine to confirm your machine first. You will understand why once you start setting it up. As for cura, get the actual cura host and use it. Much easier to deal with and fully integrated with cura slicer.

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Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
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My sig shows what Im using.

Tried that in the past-Cura Host. Stuff runs gooflooky. IE- Cancel print, nozzle/ bed wont stop heating up, etc.
I dont have to change anything in Rep FW ?

Someone needs to combine the good of Slic3r and Cura - CurSlicr

DaV1.0  10/13
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