1 (edited by nightmare1944 2015-04-08 02:00:53)

Topic: Not printing.. Tried everything :/

I have been having some serious problems with my da vinci 1.0 printer.. Click click click. The extruder does not extruder unless you put pressure on the tension lever, even then it starts clicking within seconds. I cleaned it with some .35mm wire.. came out clean. Took a tiny screwdriver and removed the hot end, attepting to clean it out from the top after soaking in acetone overnight. Still clicks.. didn't help. I also got another extruder thinking it was faulty etc.. after 4 hours of printing same problem. I ran a few different brands including the XYZ stuff. Running repiteer and going from 200-240 and everywhere in between hasn't made a difference. I've also ran the extruder extremely slow, makes no difference. Skips in the exact same pattern. I've owned this for 5 months now and am out of ideas sad . Also I did extrude while the print bed was out of the way, this was just extruding in the air. But, Prints skip also.

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I feel you, similar problem. No way I am a supporter of this printer. sad

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nightmare1944 wrote:

I have been having some serious problems with my da vinci 1.0 printer.. Click click click. The extruder does not extruder unless you put pressure on the tension lever, even then it starts clicking within seconds. I cleaned it with some .35mm wire.. came out clean. Took a tiny screwdriver and removed the hot end, attepting to clean it out from the top after soaking in acetone overnight. Still clicks.. didn't help. I also got another extruder thinking it was faulty etc.. after 4 hours of printing same problem. I ran a few different brands including the XYZ stuff. Running repiteer and going from 200-240 and everywhere in between hasn't made a difference. I've also ran the extruder extremely slow, makes no difference. Skips in the exact same pattern. I've owned this for 5 months now and am out of ideas sad . Also I did extrude while the print bed was out of the way, this was just extruding in the air. But, Prints skip also.

Your bed is too high or unlevel. Many of the beds are bowed and the middle is higher. Start a sample print. As soon as it starts laying thr purge line turn of the power. Move the head to the center of the bed. Turn each adjusting screw equal movements counter clockwise till you can just slip two pieces of paper between the nozzle and bed. Once you do that dont run the auto adjust, just start a sample print or your own print and see what happens.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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jmap2112 wrote:

I feel you, similar problem. No way I am a supporter of this printer. sad

These printers can work as well and even better than a 2500 dollar Makerbot. They just have some issues you need to sort and parts that may need to be changed to something other than stock. Even then it will cost you far less than another machine that will have issues..

3D printers regardless of brand will need tweaking and lots of TLC.  These are a hobby and are not plug and play.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:

I have been having some serious problems with my da vinci 1.0 printer.. Click click click. The extruder does not extruder unless you put pressure on the tension lever, even then it starts clicking within seconds. I cleaned it with some .35mm wire.. came out clean. Took a tiny screwdriver and removed the hot end, attepting to clean it out from the top after soaking in acetone overnight. Still clicks.. didn't help. I also got another extruder thinking it was faulty etc.. after 4 hours of printing same problem. I ran a few different brands including the XYZ stuff. Running repiteer and going from 200-240 and everywhere in between hasn't made a difference. I've also ran the extruder extremely slow, makes no difference. Skips in the exact same pattern. I've owned this for 5 months now and am out of ideas sad . Also I did extrude while the print bed was out of the way, this was just extruding in the air. But, Prints skip also.

Your bed is too high or unlevel. Many of the beds are bowed and the middle is higher. Start a sample print. As soon as it starts laying thr purge line turn of the power. Move the head to the center of the bed. Turn each adjusting screw equal movements counter clockwise till you can just slip two pieces of paper between the nozzle and bed. Once you do that dont run the auto adjust, just start a sample print or your own print and see what happens.

I'm running a modded da Vinci and I was extruding into the air, the bed is well out of the way. And thanks for the quick response big_smile

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nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:

I have been having some serious problems with my da vinci 1.0 printer.. Click click click. The extruder does not extruder unless you put pressure on the tension lever, even then it starts clicking within seconds. I cleaned it with some .35mm wire.. came out clean. Took a tiny screwdriver and removed the hot end, attepting to clean it out from the top after soaking in acetone overnight. Still clicks.. didn't help. I also got another extruder thinking it was faulty etc.. after 4 hours of printing same problem. I ran a few different brands including the XYZ stuff. Running repiteer and going from 200-240 and everywhere in between hasn't made a difference. I've also ran the extruder extremely slow, makes no difference. Skips in the exact same pattern. I've owned this for 5 months now and am out of ideas sad . Also I did extrude while the print bed was out of the way, this was just extruding in the air. But, Prints skip also.

Your bed is too high or unlevel. Many of the beds are bowed and the middle is higher. Start a sample print. As soon as it starts laying thr purge line turn of the power. Move the head to the center of the bed. Turn each adjusting screw equal movements counter clockwise till you can just slip two pieces of paper between the nozzle and bed. Once you do that dont run the auto adjust, just start a sample print or your own print and see what happens.


I'm running a modded da Vinci and I was extruding into the air, the bed is well out of the way. And thanks for the quick response big_smile

If it wont extrude in air, what temp is the LCD showing at the moment you try to extrude? The heater harness connector above the extruder is known to be cheap and is bad on some machines. It works when the head is in ceryain locations but when moved the connection opens enough thst the heater cannot maintain extrusion temperature.  That would be 190 or greater for ABS. If you are trying to print PLA give up. The 1.0 cant do it without extensive mods or the optional PLA head sold by XYZ for 100 bucks.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Your bed is too high or unlevel. Many of the beds are bowed and the middle is higher. Start a sample print. As soon as it starts laying thr purge line turn of the power. Move the head to the center of the bed. Turn each adjusting screw equal movements counter clockwise till you can just slip two pieces of paper between the nozzle and bed. Once you do that dont run the auto adjust, just start a sample print or your own print and see what happens.


I'm running a modded da Vinci and I was extruding into the air, the bed is well out of the way. And thanks for the quick response big_smile

If it wont extrude in air, what temp is the LCD showing at the moment you try to extrude? The heater harness connector above the extruder is known to be cheap and is bad on some machines. It works when the head is in ceryain locations but when moved the connection opens enough thst the heater cannot maintain extrusion temperature.  That would be 190 or greater for ABS. If you are trying to print PLA give up. The 1.0 cant do it without extensive mods or the optional PLA head sold by XYZ for 100 bucks.

Its ABS and I had problems awhile back so I soldered it and put some heat shrink tubing. The temperature doesn't go above or below 1 degree at any time including extruding. I've tried temps from 210 all the way up to 240 to try and get it to extrude properly. I've tried xyz filament and hatchbox stuff.

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nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:

I'm running a modded da Vinci and I was extruding into the air, the bed is well out of the way. And thanks for the quick response big_smile

If it wont extrude in air, what temp is the LCD showing at the moment you try to extrude? The heater harness connector above the extruder is known to be cheap and is bad on some machines. It works when the head is in ceryain locations but when moved the connection opens enough thst the heater cannot maintain extrusion temperature.  That would be 190 or greater for ABS. If you are trying to print PLA give up. The 1.0 cant do it without extensive mods or the optional PLA head sold by XYZ for 100 bucks.

Its ABS and I had problems awhile back so I soldered it and put some heat shrink tubing. The temperature doesn't go above or below 1 degree at any time including extruding. I've tried temps from 210 all the way up to 240 to try and get it to extrude properly. I've tried xyz filament and hatchbox stuff.


Another user had this similar problem and found the release lever on the idler for loading and unloading was slightly bent and not allowing the spring to pull it fully against the filament. You might take a look at that. It should press against the motor gear with a little force when no filament is loaded.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

If it wont extrude in air, what temp is the LCD showing at the moment you try to extrude? The heater harness connector above the extruder is known to be cheap and is bad on some machines. It works when the head is in ceryain locations but when moved the connection opens enough thst the heater cannot maintain extrusion temperature.  That would be 190 or greater for ABS. If you are trying to print PLA give up. The 1.0 cant do it without extensive mods or the optional PLA head sold by XYZ for 100 bucks.

Its ABS and I had problems awhile back so I soldered it and put some heat shrink tubing. The temperature doesn't go above or below 1 degree at any time including extruding. I've tried temps from 210 all the way up to 240 to try and get it to extrude properly. I've tried xyz filament and hatchbox stuff.


Another user had this similar problem and found the release lever on the idler for loading and unloading was slightly bent and not allowing the spring to pull it fully against the filament. You might take a look at that. It should press against the motor gear with a little force when no filament is loaded.

It doesn't seem to be bent, the extruder with the idler by itself with the assembly removed does have plenty of grip.. By hand its impossible for met to stop it from feeding. Even with pliers it's very difficult. hmm. Seems to also bite into the filament pretty bad, when taken apart and extruding. Leaving pretty deep bumps on the filament itself.

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nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:

Its ABS and I had problems awhile back so I soldered it and put some heat shrink tubing. The temperature doesn't go above or below 1 degree at any time including extruding. I've tried temps from 210 all the way up to 240 to try and get it to extrude properly. I've tried xyz filament and hatchbox stuff.


Another user had this similar problem and found the release lever on the idler for loading and unloading was slightly bent and not allowing the spring to pull it fully against the filament. You might take a look at that. It should press against the motor gear with a little force when no filament is loaded.

It doesn't seem to be bent, the extruder with the idler by itself with the assembly removed does have plenty of grip.. By hand its impossible for met to stop it from feeding. Even with pliers it's very difficult. hmm. Seems to also bite into the filament pretty bad, when taken apart and extruding. Leaving pretty deep bumps on the filament itself.


It should bite in to like that. Well I am clueless. Maybe somebody else might have ideas. I covered everything I know of and would suspect.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

Another user had this similar problem and found the release lever on the idler for loading and unloading was slightly bent and not allowing the spring to pull it fully against the filament. You might take a look at that. It should press against the motor gear with a little force when no filament is loaded.

It doesn't seem to be bent, the extruder with the idler by itself with the assembly removed does have plenty of grip.. By hand its impossible for met to stop it from feeding. Even with pliers it's very difficult. hmm. Seems to also bite into the filament pretty bad, when taken apart and extruding. Leaving pretty deep bumps on the filament itself.


It should bite in to like that. Well I am clueless. Maybe somebody else might have ideas. I covered everything I know of and would suspect.

Thanks for the help, I've searched forms and experimented my self since its been down around 2 weeks ago hmm.

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nightmare1944 wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
nightmare1944 wrote:

It doesn't seem to be bent, the extruder with the idler by itself with the assembly removed does have plenty of grip.. By hand its impossible for met to stop it from feeding. Even with pliers it's very difficult. hmm. Seems to also bite into the filament pretty bad, when taken apart and extruding. Leaving pretty deep bumps on the filament itself.


It should bite in to like that. Well I am clueless. Maybe somebody else might have ideas. I covered everything I know of and would suspect.

Thanks for the help, I've searched forms and experimented my self since its been down around 2 weeks ago hmm.

Anybody else have any ideas?

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Are there any similarities to this? http://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/2iawzu/ Maybe it's just the clicking, but...

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Make sure you are not chewing up the filament. There should be no shards of filament when extruding. When you try to extrude without the filament in the extruder does it still click? Take apart the extruder and look at the gear and idler, make sure they are aligned next to each other. Any clicking I ever had was from the filament being too tight against the gear and idler. Your stepper motor could be shot but I doubt it because they never go.

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Re: Not printing.. Tried everything :/

barry1685 wrote:

Make sure you are not chewing up the filament. There should be no shards of filament when extruding. When you try to extrude without the filament in the extruder does it still click? Take apart the extruder and look at the gear and idler, make sure they are aligned next to each other. Any clicking I ever had was from the filament being too tight against the gear and idler. Your stepper motor could be shot but I doubt it because they never go.

It does not skip with no filament in the extruder, Just the humming of the extruder. Those stepper motors are tough. I've watched it while clicking/skipping and the stepper motor was running smooth. And within seconds it grinds it up enough to where its coated and need cleaned with the wire brush. Its strange that there isn't a tension adjustment on these Da Vinci printers..

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nightmare1944 wrote:
barry1685 wrote:

Make sure you are not chewing up the filament. There should be no shards of filament when extruding. When you try to extrude without the filament in the extruder does it still click? Take apart the extruder and look at the gear and idler, make sure they are aligned next to each other. Any clicking I ever had was from the filament being too tight against the gear and idler. Your stepper motor could be shot but I doubt it because they never go.

It does not skip with no filament in the extruder, Just the humming of the extruder. Those stepper motors are tough. I've watched it while clicking/skipping and the stepper motor was running smooth. And within seconds it grinds it up enough to where its coated and need cleaned with the wire brush. Its strange that there isn't a tension adjustment on these Da Vinci printers..

I've had nothing but problems with this extruder.. Is it difficult installing such as a E3D extruder? Anybody have experience?

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Yea I had problems with my OEM extruder too with tension and clogging so I replaced with an MK9. I don't know much about the E3D but make sure you don't buy a fake off ebay. You will have to change the steps per mm (I think) if the gears are different from the davinci, unless you use the davinci gear.

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barry1685 wrote:

Yea I had problems with my OEM extruder too with tension and clogging so I replaced with an MK9. I don't know much about the E3D but make sure you don't buy a fake off ebay. You will have to change the steps per mm (I think) if the gears are different from the davinci, unless you use the davinci gear.

Was the process difficult? or is it just a simple hot end swap with maybe re drilling?

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The process wasn't difficult just time consuming. The mk9 came with a thermocouple that I had to replace with a thermistor and the rewiring was a pain.

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barry1685 wrote:

The process wasn't difficult just time consuming. The mk9 came with a thermocouple that I had to replace with a thermistor and the rewiring was a pain.

Im getting sick of these hotends.. I might try that. Tried pla with the m9k? Or bronzefill, etc.

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Not yet. I technically haven't set it up fully yet. I still need to tweak some wires and calibrate the extrusion.