1 (edited by TickTock 2015-04-07 03:25:49)

Topic: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I have tried everything and nothing works as well as glass+hairspray with glue stick coming in at a close second.  However, the problem I now face is I periodically lift slivers of glass off the plate. like this:

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=8480

Once I do this on both sides I have to throw away the plate.  I've tossed 4 such plates in the last six months.  I am developing procedures to avoid this.  For example, I have noticed that if I remove the part before the plate cools down it won't crack.  However, when it does happen, removing the glass from the part is a real PITA.  For small slivers, I've found alcohol works well to dissolve enough hairspray to dislodge the part but for large slivers such as in the picture this doesn't work so well and you still end up chipping the glass off bit by bit.  Any of the veterans out there have a good procedure?

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

How often and how much hairspray are you applying?

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wardjr wrote:

How often and how much hairspray are you applying?

I discuss that here.  I am definitely also interested in ideas to avoid the problem without giving up holding power but primarily was looking for a good procedure for removing glass from parts once the deed is done.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

OK I am no expert on the subject of glass and hairspray but WOW!  You have definitely nailed the adhesion process.
To answer your question, one of two things works for me.  Let it cool and it will simply come loose or use a razor blade scraper to get under one edge then work all the way around the part.  Don't pry up just keep working around the edge until you can get no more blade under (about 1/4").  Then pry slightly and it should peel up or pop off.  If not then let is cool some more and repeat.

Seriously though you are simply cleaning your glass too much and using way too much hairspray.  I like that you have taken the process to the extreme limits as it shows just how powerful the bond can be.  But if a simple single light mist on the glass (maybe every 10-15 prints) doesn't adhere your prints to the bed, there is a good chance something else isn't correct.
I am a huge proponent of sticking with something that works but not if it is simply masking some other issue.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

That is some serious adhesion right there. Or really bad glass.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I've never had any problems if I just wait long enough for it to cool all the way down, it just comes right off. The only time I have trouble is if I'm in a hurry and want to get it off the glass before it is cooled.

7 (edited by TickTock 2015-04-06 16:28:07)

Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I do follow your procedure with the razor except I don't let it cool.  It's when I let it cool that I have this problem.  If I remove the part immediately after the print completes using the razor blade on all sides followed by the spackling knife I can peel it up without incident (other than burned knuckles).  In fact, I don't think I've ever had this happen with a hot bed.  The part in the picture, however, was a job I started before going to bed (safety has been addressed so lets not sidetrack :-)) and so it had cooled fully.  In the morning, I stuck the razor under one side, and POP it popped off - taking the glass with it.

The reason I clean so often is I am trying for consistency - trying to turn the art of adherence into a science.  I find I can modulate the stickiness very well by changing the extrusion width for first layer parameter in slicer.  For small parts, I go with 100% but for a large part prone to warping, I will dial this all the way up to 200% and it works quite well (as you can see :-)).  The bigger thread holds more heat and has more time to adhere.

I think the problem is the hairspray actually adheres more as it cools so if I set the extrusion low enough to not permanently adhere when cool, it doesn't adhere enough when hot for large prints.  Maybe I should try different hairspray.  I am not using the recommended Aquanet ultrahold  since the generic hairspray at Walmart has been working really well (except for this issue).  I'll find some Aquanet and see if it behaves any differently.

wardjr wrote:

OK I am no expert on the subject of glass and hairspray but WOW!  You have definitely nailed the adhesion process.
To answer your question, one of two things works for me.  Let it cool and it will simply come loose or use a razor blade scraper to get under one edge then work all the way around the part.  Don't pry up just keep working around the edge until you can get no more blade under (about 1/4").  Then pry slightly and it should peel up or pop off.  If not then let is cool some more and repeat.

Seriously though you are simply cleaning your glass too much and using way too much hairspray.  I like that you have taken the process to the extreme limits as it shows just how powerful the bond can be.  But if a simple single light mist on the glass (maybe every 10-15 prints) doesn't adhere your prints to the bed, there is a good chance something else isn't correct.
I am a huge proponent of sticking with something that works but not if it is simply masking some other issue.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I will also try your recommendation of less hairspray.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

TickTock wrote:

I will also try your recommendation of less hairspray.

check your PM

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I haven't separated the glass layers - yet!  I'm only using Lowes Window glass cut by me and Aqua Net, and have been using it for over a year - the same 2 pieces.  I use a single edged razor blade and something solid to bang with to separate either cold or hot.  I'm not afraid to use a fair amount of hair spray, so I don't know if that's your problem or not.   

There are a multitude of folks out there that wish they had some of your problem! 

I have never separated glass like that....... wouldn't know how to do it if I had to.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

No issues with tempered glass and hair spray. I just put it in the freezer after the print and it slides off in about 3 minutes

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Problem solved.  Boiled the parts in a bowl of water in the microwave for 10 minutes.  Glass slid off.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

So you put the entire piece of glass with the parts on it in a bowl of water.  Then but the whole thing in the microwave for ten minutes?

edit: I follow you put the parts with the broken glass stuck to them in the microwave.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

can i alsso suggest this to help http://www.jbprince.com/images/B104.jpg a nice pallet knife available at most art stores as thin as a razorblade very flexible unlike a scraper but just as usefull

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

Wow! that is some serious adhesion!
just out of curiosity - have you tried reheating the bed at least partially before attempting to pry off the part? perhaps that would help?

personally, I have not had any success with the hairspray, but the glue stick works pretty well for me.

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

Ha! I just did this too. I build up my hairspray like surf wax though.

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What kind of hairspray do you use?  This is what I use:
http://soliforum.com/i/?ubYVLbe.jpg

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

Why not use PEI? Way less hassle

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Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I've tried it and it was OK.  I' think glue stick works better but nothing works as well as hairspray on glass for me.

20 (edited by Ggalisky 2015-04-17 16:38:29)

Re: [Solved] How to remove glass from ABS+hairspray

I had alot of trouble with PEI until I built and enclousre and cranked my heated bed temp to 125.

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