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Topic: Filament Shortage!

Anyone who uses XYZ cartridges may be aware that there is a shortage of black filament out there (unless you're willing to pay $60 from Sears!). I've decided to bite the bullet and start searching for ways to use after-market filament.

Unfortunately I have the latest firmware installed and I don't relish jumping through all the hoops necessary to downgrade.

Has anyone come up with/found a painless method to downgrade/prep for aftermarket filament as yet?

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Maybe I am missing something in regards to downgrade. But I thought the biggest issue was not firmware but machine. As long as it is a 1.0, it does not matter what firmware it currently has. Once you short the erase jumper  and power cycle it, it could be loaded with any firmware. The firmware cannot change the function or result of the erase jumper.

The issue was the boards later down the line changed and at some point the jumper was removed and then even relocated.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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I use a zerocart on my machine under warranty,, buy my filament from MCM for $17 a kilo.. Getting another used machine today to "play" with other firmware..

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Why don't you buy/build a filament reset tool?

5 (edited by galaxy99 2015-03-25 20:23:23)

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First - I ordered three cartridges from Amazon - I received one new one and two previously used cartridges!!!  They had extrude feed teeth marks and melted filament. Naturally I returned them.

I picked us some Shaxon filament at Fry's and have been running without problems - using Zerocart  BUT, I did not downgrade the firmware (currently running 1.2.6).  No problem and I can set the filament length to 240m, then change it for the remaining 160m on the spool.  The Zerocart instructions say it will work with all firmware versions but may not have full functionality such as setting filament length to 999m.  I don't care about that and all other functions I need work.

Tip's:
The printer wiggles the Zerocart connection so, if you get a Cartridge error, wiggle the Zerocart and hold it down (or put a weight on it). May need to turn off/on printer.
Unloading error - if extrude temp won't heat, cut the old filament, Load Cartridge and chase the old filament with the new filament as the old one extrudes out - you may need the do the "Try again" option on prompt to ensure the new filament feeds.

I designed some parts and picked up a sealed food container - made a filament box - see photo (if it shows up)...

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6 (edited by PseudoShooter 2015-03-25 21:36:57)

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I was going to get the reset tool, then I started seeing what was required to install the older firmware and didn't feel like doing it to be honest. I was happy to keep using the cartridges. The big project I'm working on coupled with the shortage of filament kinda forced my hand.

As an added bonus, I got the dreaded 0011 error today while starting a print so I guess I'll have to solder some wires this weekend too big_smile

Edit: I will look into the Zerocart. Hopefully I can run it without having to downgrade the firmware. That would be the best solution. Thanks!

Edit 2: Nice job on the container, what is the rectangular rod behind the ring used for?

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Improved Da Vinci 1.0 with Firmware 1.2.5 and stock extruder
Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
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PseudoShooter wrote:

I was going to get the reset tool, then I started seeing what was required to install the older firmware and didn't feel like doing it to be honest. I was happy to keep using the cartridges. The big project I'm working on coupled with the shortage of filament kinda forced my hand.

As an added bonus, I got the dreaded 0011 error today while starting a print so I guess I'll have to solder some wires this weekend too big_smile

Edit: I will look into the Zerocart. Hopefully I can run it without having to downgrade the firmware. That would be the best solution. Thanks!

Edit 2: Nice job on the container, what is the rectangular rod behind the ring used for?


Looks like a guide for a weight to keep the spool from free spinning.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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You have to block net traffic from xyzware.exe, but other than that, I like my xyzerocart, though it is pricey,, but worth it for machines under warranty..  Fedex just delivered my used DaVinci 1.0 I got from ebay for $309. had to replace a leveling nut, calibrated it and it ran great.. printed the demo perfectly..  Oh,, I leave an old cartridge setting on top of my zerocart to hold it down.. I think I'll run some wires from the unused  right side of my zerocart over to the other printer and see if I can run 2 printers from one zerocart just for sh@ts & giggles..

9 (edited by galaxy99 2015-03-25 22:07:58)

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Exactly - a weight to keep the filament from unraveling.
I attached two motorcycle wheel weights to the top of the flat part (to ensure enough weight) and glued foam-rubber to the bottom of it.
The bucket has a silicone seal in the lid (paid $9 for it).  I put a tray of rice in the bottom for humidity control.

1" dia tube used for axis-rod and sits in two brackets (not very visible and currently held in place with screws I will change...).

Made it yesterday and have thus far printed 70m without problems...

(FYI - I blew away the xyzware/software a good while ago - I use LittleSnitch to stop apps from sending out data but no longer see activity of xyzware since I tossed out).

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10 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-03-25 22:12:38)

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rv.mike wrote:

You have to block net traffic from xyzware.exe, but other than that, I like my xyzerocart, though it is pricey,, but worth it for machines under warranty..  Fedex just delivered my used DaVinci 1.0 I got from ebay for $309. had to replace a leveling nut, calibrated it and it ran great.. printed the demo perfectly..  Oh,, I leave an old cartridge setting on top of my zerocart to hold it down.. I think I'll run some wires from the unused  right side of my zerocart over to the other printer and see if I can run 2 printers from one zerocart just for sh@ts & giggles..


Just wanted to chime in about warranty since some of you fear voiding it. Flashing will not void it as long as you reflash it back to stock before returning it. Flashing will erase the serial number but there is a very easy way to put it back in before returning.

There is no flag or register in this device that trips if it is flashed so they have no way of knowing you did it.

Also a word to the wise. Any of you who bought your printer from ebay regardless of model or if sold as new, you have no warranty. XYZ does not honor warranties on machines unless you can prove purchase from authorized retailers like Amazon, Microcenter, and other real stores. XYZ does not see anyone who sells them on Ebay as authorized and infact discourages it as a business. An individual is fine to sell theirs but again no warranty would be extended.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

11 (edited by PseudoShooter 2015-03-25 23:16:03)

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What Carl just said. I was pretty pissed when XYZ curtly informed me that I was SOL getting a broken part replaced without paying for it.

Cheap clowns.

I use a container similar to that for my acetone vapour smoothing. The lid seal makes sure my place isn't awash in flammable fumes. The fan I use to circulate the vapour is slowly melting, surprisingly the fan case is made out of ABS big_smile

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Improved Da Vinci 1.0 with Firmware 1.2.5 and stock extruder
Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
TinkerCAD, Netfabb, Simplify3D

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I use a Mr. Coffee (coffee cup warmer), with a pan on it containing acetone.  Put parts in a  separate glass dish in the acetone and cover the entire thing with glass lid.  Goodwill/thrift store stuff.  Others are using rice cookers from thrift store...

Making parts for 9mm SIG now...

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I live in a condo unit and I didn't want to risk a fire so I employ the "cold process". It takes more time to smooth my makes but I've haven't blown up yet!

Win 8.1
Improved Da Vinci 1.0 with Firmware 1.2.5 and stock extruder
Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
TinkerCAD, Netfabb, Simplify3D

14 (edited by mpoffo 2015-03-26 02:17:56)

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PseudoShooter wrote:

I live in a condo unit and I didn't want to risk a fire so I employ the "cold process". It takes more time to smooth my makes but I've haven't blown up yet!

What particular container do you use?  I was looking at the cold process as well.  I would be interested in how you approach it.

Also I use the XYZerocart with my 1.0A and it works well.  I can use any filament I wait.  It costs a bit but worth it.  A re-setter would be cheaper but in my opinion not as convenient.

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15 (edited by PseudoShooter 2015-03-26 02:37:50)

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I got a resealable dog food container from pet smart.

http://www.petsmart.ca/supplies-trainin … m%3Dsearch

I originally hung acetone-soaked paper towels from the side and back to help circulate the vapour but I've found that a small, brushless battery fan works well (as long as the fan case is not ABS like mine is).

I use a small metal stand for the parts to sit on so they are elevated off the acetone liquid in the bottom of the container. I usually expose the parts for 30 minutes but I check regularly to make sure they don't get over-exposed.

It's kinda like alchemy, you have to play it by ear and hope for the best.

Here's an example of some chess pieces I made recently: http://www.thingiverse.com/make:125444

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Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
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mpoffo wrote:
PseudoShooter wrote:

I live in a condo unit and I didn't want to risk a fire so I employ the "cold process". It takes more time to smooth my makes but I've haven't blown up yet!

What particular container do you use?  I was looking at the cold process as well.  I would be interested in how you approach it.

Also I use the XYZerocart with my 1.0A and it works well.  I can use any filament I wait.  It costs a bit but worth it.  A re-setter would be cheaper but in my opinion not as convenient.

Or as I said earlier you could just flash it and foget about zerocart or resetters and it does not cost a dime. Then you not only have the ability to use any brand filament but you have access to the EEPROM values where you can fine tune steps per mm and other settings. On mine a 20 x 20 cube was not accurate even accounting for shrinkage. So I had to adjust mine a little.

As I said flashing cannot void your warranty. That is if you even have one.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Thanks Carl.

Do you have a link to the info on the procedure?

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Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
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Its over on Votivo's site. A quick search should find it.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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@PseudoShooter - Have a look here   http://www.soliforum.com/topic/10462/da … ory-reset/

I posted a resetter based on the voltivo software and the dimensionbx housing. The software was modified to make it easier to change temperatures and filament lengths.

All that needs to be done when built is to place the refilled cartridge on the resetter and program it from the PC. The bonus is that the software and case are free, and no changes are required to the printer. I have a DaVinci 1.0A and FW is 1.0.1.

There are 2 versions of the software - a basic version allowing factory cartridge settings and resetting temperature with filament length (but only by delving into the code), as well as reading the cartridge.
The second version allows (via a menu on the PC) a factory reset, bed temperature setting, extruder temperature setting, filament length setting and reading the cartridge. The code automatically increments the cartridge serial number. The settings are made using the Arduino IDE's serial monitor.

So far I have not had any problems with it, but as a precaution I have the computer driving the DaVinci off line.

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Thank you for that, I will look into it this coming weekend.

Win 8.1
Improved Da Vinci 1.0 with Firmware 1.2.5 and stock extruder
Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
TinkerCAD, Netfabb, Simplify3D

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carl_m1968 wrote:
rv.mike wrote:

You have to block net traffic from xyzware.exe, but other than that, I like my xyzerocart, though it is pricey,, but worth it for machines under warranty..  Fedex just delivered my used DaVinci 1.0 I got from ebay for $309. had to replace a leveling nut, calibrated it and it ran great.. printed the demo perfectly..  Oh,, I leave an old cartridge setting on top of my zerocart to hold it down.. I think I'll run some wires from the unused  right side of my zerocart over to the other printer and see if I can run 2 printers from one zerocart just for sh@ts & giggles..


Just wanted to chime in about warranty since some of you fear voiding it. Flashing will not void it as long as you reflash it back to stock before returning it. Flashing will erase the serial number but there is a very easy way to put it back in before returning.

There is no flag or register in this device that trips if it is flashed so they have no way of knowing you did it.

Also a word to the wise. Any of you who bought your printer from ebay regardless of model or if sold as new, you have no warranty. XYZ does not honor warranties on machines unless you can prove purchase from authorized retailers like Amazon, Microcenter, and other real stores. XYZ does not see anyone who sells them on Ebay as authorized and infact discourages it as a business. An individual is fine to sell theirs but again no warranty would be extended.

Carl, if you reflash the firmware, you lose the machine hours and they will know you messed with it.. But you are probably right about them honoring a so called "warranty" anyway..
   I bought a used DaVinci from Ebay knowing there would be no warranty,, I think I got it for a good price, it had V1.1.G and showed no machine hours, so I knew it had been re-flashed.. only had a missing bed leveling nut.. but it prints like a champ. I did notice the left hand bushing on the y axis was a tiny bit loose, not sure if it was a defect in the plastic bearing holder or what? But it doesn't seems to affect the overall operation.  The X axis stepper only had 2 screws holding it in. Wonder if that was normal on the earlier models? I decided to use xyzware to do a print last nite and I'm sure I had it blocked from the net, but it did a firmware upgrade on the printer and it printed crappy, so I downgraded it back to G. Really upsets me when it upgraded without my permission.. Now I have it block in my router as well as my computer. I will go to repeatier when I get some time to master it. This is a great community here, and I appreciate everyone that tries to help.. Thank you..

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rv.mike wrote:

Now I have it block in my router as well as my computer.

I have it blocked on my firewall, but am a little paranoid that they will figure a way around that.

How do you block updates in the router?  Do you set-up an IP or URL?

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I run Simplify3d so I'm just going to blow away the XYZware and go from there.

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Improved Da Vinci 1.0 with Firmware 1.2.5 and stock extruder
Arduino cartridge resetter and after-market ABS filament
TinkerCAD, Netfabb, Simplify3D

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I use version 1.1.E that is slightly modded so that I can print files named SAMPLE01.GCO through SAMPLE03.GCO off a Toshiba Flashair wirelessly.

Honestly it's ridiculously simple... I slice in Cura or whatever slicer I want (if Cura I use notepad++ to change all the G0 commands to G1, only takes a second) upload it to the Flashair from my browser on a PC on my network, go to the DaVinci and print one of the demo items.

Version 1.1 E doesn't decrement a cartridge if you use that method. Modding the firmware so that it could accept the DOS filenames that the older version of the Toshiba Flashair also only took minutes. Hardest part of the entire mod was to take the DaVinci covers off so that I could use a SDCard extender and plug the Flashair into that.

It took at least 20 times as long to get the DaVinci bed level enough that it would "save" the result so that I could just manually set the first layer where it should be and never go through that again either, than doing the rest of the mod.

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tedh98 wrote:
rv.mike wrote:

Now I have it block in my router as well as my computer.

I have it blocked on my firewall, but am a little paranoid that they will figure a way around that.

How do you block updates in the router?  Do you set-up an IP or URL?

On my DSL router, if you choose the highest setting, only email and browser type of stuff is allowed..  Funny thing though, I even disabled the network adapter, and downgraded to an earlier version of xyzware client, and I still got a noticed my firmware was going to up grade,, I yanked the usb before it did and then after it failed upgrade message, I plugged it back it,, so they must be writing the firmware into the damn software now..