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Topic: Kapton VS Aquanet Xtra

We've been having good results with Aquanaut, but like those guys in the cholesterol commercials, I was wonder if I could up my game a little bit...

What is your experience with kapton tape? Do you use hairspray on the tape also?

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Re: Kapton VS Aquanet Xtra

My experience has been that the Kapton tape does not work any better than bare glass, maybe slightly better. I much prefer a simple Elmer's glue stick, even over the hairspray. I like being able to control the application area, and I believe it works better.

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I've tried glue stick, aquanet, and kapton, each applied to glass and the bare aluminum bed. Overall, my best and most repeatable results were with glass + hairspray. I hVe yet to try PEI, but a lot of people have good luck with it. So perhaps investigate PEI if you are wanting to experiment.

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I cringe whenever I hear of people who are still printing on kapton tape.  Honestly, I found it to be so frustating that I would probably find something else to do with my time if it was the only print surface available.  IMO, there is not ever a reason to print on kapton when glass is readily available everywhere and very cheap.  Why be constantly replacing tape and worrying about getting it down with any wrinkles?  I have found all plastics stick easily to glass and glue stick.  Plus you can pry off the print (if it does not self release when cooled) without damaging the kapton. 

IMO- do yourself the biggest, easiest favor of your 3D printing career and start printing on glass.

I will be experimenting with PEI soon but if it can be damaged with a paint scraper I will probably go right back to glass.

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honestly I like the Rave hair spray the best

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shields1.as wrote:

honestly I like the Rave hair spray the best

Rave X mega? What do you like about it over Aquanet?

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I am just getting into 3D printing so I have very little experience so far.

However my experiance with printing directly on kapton direct to the heat bed has not gone so well. As already stated just applying it with no wrinkles is a pain. You do get better at it with time though. I found to get my prints to stick to it I had to buff it with 220 grit sandpaper.

I am curently still using kapton but am applying it to glass and then hair spraying it with trusty ole aquanet xtra hold. It works pretty good in the center area. The bigger prints that get to the edge of the plate where things are cooler have a chance of warping and popping off though. I am only using the kapton on it still incase I get one that really sticks good that I can just peel the tape with part and all off. I will be honest though I have not had to do this yet. So...

I am about to ditch my Kapton and go the route of glass and aquanet and see how things go.

I may revert to the kapton if I decide to do a large long print and will use juice on it for maximum stick. But I will always use the glass plate from now on.

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Morganism wrote:

My experience has been that the Kapton tape does not work any better than bare glass, maybe slightly better. I much prefer a simple Elmer's glue stick, even over the hairspray. I like being able to control the application area, and I believe it works better.

I'm still on my first bottle of Aquanet, a year and a half later, It's still about 1/4" full. 

As for controlling the application area, this is what I did, and it works great:

http://www.soliforum.com/post/35559/#p35559

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=3342

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pirvan wrote:

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=3342

This is AMAZING and am apply it to my can of hairspray this minute.

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Just an observation here.....
I think you may be using too much hairspray, of course what do I know about it wink

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wardjr wrote:

Just an observation here.....
I think you may be using too much hairspray, of course what do I know about it wink

It's a cheaper high than Acetone ... big_smile

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pirvan wrote:
wardjr wrote:

Just an observation here.....
I think you may be using too much hairspray, of course what do I know about it wink

It's a cheaper high than Acetone ... big_smile

And it makes your room smell pretty too tongue

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Thanks to all for your contributions

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wardjr wrote:
pirvan wrote:
wardjr wrote:

Just an observation here.....
I think you may be using too much hairspray, of course what do I know about it wink

It's a cheaper high than Acetone ... big_smile

And it makes your room smell pretty too tongue

Unfortunately not... it's unscented.

http://www.soliforum.com/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=8246

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Using hairspray (aquanet extra super hold) completely changed my printing experience for the better.  I have a PEI plate still in the red bubblewrap from RRD (a bit overpriced but I was ignorantly impatient at the time) that I've still not tried because I haven't printed anything yet that the hairspray genuinely couldn't handle.  Never really had any luck with the kapton but just left it on the bed under the 8x8" glass plates that I use now.  Oh Yeah - the glass is nearly hot swappable too.

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+1 I also have PEI and find that glass + Aqua net handles about 95% of my prints so I save the PEI for the difficult ones.

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Thanks to all for your contributions

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Thanks for the replies everyone, I think we pretty much covered it all. Looking forward to getting some PEI soon.

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Since my last post I have ditched the use of kapton. I am now printing directly on glass with Aquanet Extra Hold. I coat the glass with a fine misting let it dry and coat it a second time. things stick to it very well. I have had very few curled edges or dislodges.

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I use a sheet of polycarbonate. It's . 22" thick. Screwed it down at 4 corners with small countersunk screws. Takes a while to heat up, but abs sticks to it without hairspray or glue.

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Yeah, Kapton is an expensive disaster, one of the best changes I made was hairspray on glass.