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Topic: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

Please excuse the long windedness but I have a lot to say.

Back in September a friend of mine who uses the Solidoodle 2 and has had great experience with the product sent me a promotional option for buying their new 3D printer the "Solidoodle Press". I bought the printer in September 2014 on Presale for 15% less than the market price, and their target shipment date was 1 month, awesome.  The printer delivery date was pushed back, and back, and back all the way to 4 months, The CEO's reasoning was that it has gone through extensive quality tests before shipment, great! After 4 months of waiting, I recieved the printer Mid Feburary 2015.

I did months of research before it arrived so I was prepared to use and maintain the printer. Right after unboxing the product I realized that there was no detailed manual but a 5 page booklet, only 2 of which show setup. The software link that was in the booklet didn't work so I had to google it to download the "Soliprint" software, which looks like it was developed by an 10 year old on SCRATCH. (In fact my 10 year old son creates better programs)

The first time I ran a calibration test I encountered a problem, the extruder cable flops around inside the upper part of the enclosure and constantly jams either the X or Y axes, causing the stepper motors to stall, wow. Okay, well I attached a rubber band to the cable to keep it from jamming the printer, however it had already stripped some gears, but they still seem to work decently.

The second problem occurred when I fixed the first problem. When the bed is moving in the up and down axis, the bed bottomed out onto the printer nozzle stripping ever more gears; making a horrible sound which I could not stop until I unplugged the printer. After researching on google I found the limit switch in this axis. Why was it not in the manual? Why was there no manual to begin with?

The third problem occurred after I fixed the second problem. When the printer bed bottomed out on the print nozzle, it bent the print bed. Now the automated bed leveling can't even work because the printer bent it's own bed at least 5º, it destroyed itself. Even the z axis calibration program could not compensate for this, so nothing would stick to the print bed. The nozzle would drag itself through it's own print destroying it.

Okay, let’s call tech support, oh wait, Solidoodle does not accept phone calls, oh no.

So I try and give the printer bed a little cleaning and adjustment, as I have researched, this should fix the problems. The glass bed cracked, and the tiny 1.5mm set screw in the extruder got stuck so the extruder doesn't mate with the motor.

okay, I'll buy some new parts, this is where the above photo comes into play. Parts for the Solidoodle press are note ven available to be purchased.

I sent Solidoodle support an Email asking if I can buy parts to fix it, I just want my printer to work. I have not received any response except for an automated email. It has been weeks.

This printer was advertised as a plug&play, out-of-the-box experience that would work for ordinary consumers, without needing tweaking, modifications, and calibrations. After being delivered *3 months late,* it fulfills none of these promises. The software is pathetic, the hardware is plagued by cheap design decisions, and manufacturer support is nonexistent. I have not been able to meddle with the hardware and software to fix its egregious flaws.

I do not know what to do. I have never been so upset by a purchase in my entire life. I wake up sad because my dream of finally being able to print my 3D creations is crushed, and I cannot even fix it or get a refund. My kids are let down as much as I am.

My goal is to reach out to people who have had a similar experience as I have, and let them know that they are not alone. These proceeds will be split evenly to all who have had the same experience, and can contact me with a paypal account.

gofundme.com/mueb4k

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

I know the situation seems bleak.  And I would be as upset as you if this were my first printer and I was sold on the promise of Plug & Play printing...

That said, I think the best way out is through it...aside from your bent platform, most of the issues have been addressed by others in this very same main topic header.

With regard to the platform, how is it bent?  Are the guide rods and Z screw still straight?  Pics would help.

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

Looks like youre just trying to make back the money you spent. We've all experienced the problems you have listed above. However, as we speak I am printing on my press with great success. You've gotta just take some time, sit down, and de-bug the system. It isn't as plug-and-play as they advertised but with this being my first 3D printer I found it rather easy to get it up and running.

4 (edited by RadLibra 2015-02-20 19:34:31)

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But they have no place where I can buy replacement parts that broke. How am I to fix it without new parts? I can't exactly fabricate gears or fix a bent printing bed.

The actual cantilevered flat bed is bent and it cracked the glass plate straight in half. I cannot order one, as they have no plate to order Press parts, please send me a link if I am wrong.

I am not trying to make money for myself, as stated I will donate all of the funds split evenly to everyone who has the same irreversible issues. They have not responded to my return item inquiry.

The bed is so bent that when the printer is going it will drag itself through what it just printed, and I have done the calibration so many times, I can't get a single line to stick to the bed, I've tried glue stick and double sided tape. It drags the print head  through the print, scraping right off the platform.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

solidoodle.com/parts

No section for the Press.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

Straight from their warranty page.... You have 30 days to request an RMA and get your money back.    I don't see how they'd not accept it as a defective return, so the worst you'd be out is the shipping cost.    I considered this, but decided I could work through the issues.    They just introduced three new printers and have obviously been struggling to handle the load of incoming problems with the new printer community.

http://www.solidoodle.com/warranty

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Refund

If you would like to return your printer and receive a refund, please submit a request at support.solidoodle.com. Refund requests must be made within thirty (30) calendar days of the shipment date.  Unless the Solidoodle Support Team determines that the printer is defective and issues an RMA, a 10% restocking fee will be deducted from the refund.

Refunds are not available for the SoliCare Protection Plan, shipping costs, opened/used filament, installed replacement parts, Solidoodle Sample Pack, or Solidoodle T-shirts.  Refunds are available only for items purchased from Solidoodle.com.  Refunds for products purchased from resellers are subject to resellers’ policies.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

I put in for a refund a week ago, I have not heard back from them except for an automated response.

8 (edited by slovenian6474 2015-02-20 21:35:26)

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You have a gofundme to refund your purchase for MORE than your purchase price? AND you get to keep the printer!?  Hell! If that works, let me know.  I want $1000 refund on my $450 purchase!

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The printer doesn't work lol. Why does nobody read the post, I plan on sharing all the proceeds, if I make a million I'll share it with everyone who got F'd by the Press.

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Hell if I make enough I'll buy the company and turn it around, and produce a better product.

11 (edited by jagowilson 2015-02-20 21:51:36)

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My $1200 SD4 had to be rebuilt and I replaced everything except the heated bed and platform.

Fix it up or ship out. If $400 is that significant of a loss to you perhaps you should reconsider whether or not you can afford this hobby. It is expensive and requires significant effort. If you don't like that you should have spent more money.

No one wants to give you money because the reality is no one cares if your machine works. You could choose to be helpful and fix the issues with your machine and help others who encounter the same problem. Seeing as you aren't doing that, I can only assume you are incapable. No one is going to feel sorry for you. Engage your brain, no one can take that step for you.

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To fix the crooked and bouncy print bed see my post. You'll need two #8 screws.

http://www.soliforum.com/post/85427/#p85427

I was unable to print anything until I added those screws.

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If the printer really is defective and SD refuses to take it back, I'll give you $100+s&h for it.

Printit Mason and Printit Horizon printers
Multiple SD2s- Bulldog XL, E3D v5/v6/Lite6, Volcano, Hobb Goblin, Titan, .9 motor, Lawsy carriages, direct Y drive, fishing line...the list goes on
Filawinder and Filastruder #1870.....worth every penny!

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

RadLibra wrote:

The printer doesn't work lol. Why does nobody read the post, I plan on sharing all the proceeds, if I make a million I'll share it with everyone who got F'd by the Press.


So you value at broken printer higher than your original purchase price? 

Plus your model seems broken.  The people that are having issues with the Press are on here and you're asking THEM for the money.  If you want to help all the helpless poor Press owners, go over to Makerbot/lulzbots/printrbot forums and ask for money, bring it back here, and pay US.

Anyways, the proper way to do what you're doing in a class action lawsuit.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

mine works, just a fair bit of tweaking

16 (edited by domas 2015-02-21 10:21:54)

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Personally, it looks a bit phishy. RadLibra only commented here, and his/her very first post is asking for money. Even if it was legitimate, I don't see how it would work. OP could just send his/her printer back, or sell it on eBay and at least get some of the money back instead of trying to swindle cash.

I'm reporting this as phishing.

17 (edited by scruffybob 2015-02-21 17:37:22)

Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

I don't think he's phishing or trolling.   I think he experiencing exactly the same feelings I did when I got my printer.   I've been watching the 3D printer space for a long time, and buying the Press as my first 3D printer was a relatively inexpensive way to test the waters and to have an interesting project to work on with my 4 kids.   The fact that Solidoodle advertised it as "consumer friendly" and since they've already had a number of printers on the market prior to this led me to believe that it wouldn't be a terribly steep learning curve.    I was mistaken.

My printer did NOT work out of the box; I've had tons of problems with the hardware and the software.   There are clear design deficiencies and manufacturing deficiencies.   It's pretty clear that this technology in general and this printer specifically are NOT ready for the consumer market.

In my case, I don't mind all of the tinkering, repairing and adjusting needed to get/keep this printer working, but I'll be the first to admit, I felt exactly like RadLiba did during the first couple of weeks.    The fact that Solidoodle's tech support is essentially non-existent doesn't help.  In fact, if this forum didn't exist, I would have been the first one to RMA my printer.    I've got an outstanding support ticket open since the day I got my printer (exactly 30 days ago today) and I haven't heard one peep from them in the last two weeks.

My only advice for RadLibra is to either RMA the printer and wait another 5 years until the technology is really consumer-ready or accept that almost all of the issues he's seeing have been seen by others and jump into the "fix it yourself" mentality to get the printer working.    The others on the forum have provided fixes or workarounds for almost every problem I've seen.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

I am here to voice my dissatisfaction for Solidoodle press. Firstly I have waited months to get the printer, and when I received my printer a few days ago, it didn't work as advertized. I expected it to be "plug and play" for beginner however nightmare just started.

On the first run there are very loud motor noise, after some investigation (I am not a technical person) I found one side of the y-axis rod is hanging loose, seriously I am not sure how this escape their quality check and it is impossible to be caused by shipping as the end screw is still attached to the rod. I have to open the enclosure to fix it myself.

I tried to print with the free ABS filament provided, however it won't stick onto the bed (you can't expect a beginner to know you must use tape or glue on the bed and they are also not provided). I try to use my PLA filament (not to say the pool holder can't fit but I won't blame them for that as they want to earn money by selling their own filament), but it won't extrude! I found this forum and discovered from other posts that this printer can't extrude PLA! Why it is falsely advertized?! The reason why I would use PLA only as ABS is toxin

I can't return it as it will cost me a bomb to ship back as I am from a Asia country. I don't see a reason for paying this much of money where I can get a better one from China with screen and SD card slot to run without a computer for half the price, and of course it is fully assembled although without enclosure but can extrude both PLA and ABS.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

Maybe you guys should wait for a vending machine, you can plug in your money, and a model will be spit out.  You will get bored with that very soon.  Its a Hobby, guys.  As a former Sd3 user, I am pleased with the Press.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

Skyblue wrote:

Maybe you guys should wait for a vending machine, you can plug in your money, and a model will be spit out.  You will get bored with that very soon.  Its a Hobby, guys.  As a former Sd3 user, I am pleased with the Press.

These people have a legit gripe. They bought in as drivers, not mechanics. The Press is sold as a "true plug and play", not a "tinkerer's delight" like the Workbench. As such, the first few Press batches are simply a fail.

The Press is close to being a great machine, but so far misses on some critical points: quality of assembly, a few glaring oopses (cables wandering into the gantry path?), and a few deeper issues (PLA support). Hopefully SD will have the resources, stamina, and honor to fix these issues in the fielded units and make the Press what it could and should be.

For those disappointed by the initial delivery of the Press, please be patient. SD is trying to transition a technolgy from early adopter/tinkerer to mainstream market. That's extraordinarily difficult, and they've fumbled it. With that transition comes a big change in product volume, overwhelming logistics and support.

SD must be very interested in fixing this, as it means the difference between fortunes and bankrupcy. Give them a little time.

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where is the pics OP talks of?
either do a charge back if paid with credit card. or find a law firm to start a class action suit against Solidoodle for false adds and stiffing consumers. dont ask other victims to refund your money.

I paid over $700 for my SD2 2 years ago and had to work longer and harder to make it right. the press is no different other than the HIPE Sam told about it being "the idiot proof 3D printer" basically like all salesmen.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

I would send a report to the better business beureau in new york. I gave SD a very generous response time window through every channel ( facebook, twitter, direct email) and received no reply.

Thing is SD fucked up and they did it badly. Not so much a fumbling as a trainwreck. My background is in product design so i have an understanding about brining new products to market.

They marketed this as plug and play product. However it is clear from the issues we have seen that there has been ZERO end user testing. All the pictures we have seen from the factory show the printers printing with the top up. They should have done testing of the printer with the top down and had printers running continuously until failure.

evidence for this claim.

Spool holder - spool falls out when you lift the top up. Proper user testing would have shown that a screw fitting to hold the spool in place would have led to a better user experience.

Wire management- end user behaviour would have clashed with path of wires to cause a catastrophic print failure.

extruder reassembly- where to start....getting that thing reassembled is a NIGHTMARE!

what has seriously pissed me off about this whole thing though is the outright LIE we were sold.

" we are delaying the shipping due to retooling and additonal quality control" what a crock of shit

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

maybe they have been 'factory testing' them by replacing all their SD3 line at Brooklyn and is why all other printers are not shipping due to all the issues on their printing rack. LOL
also all pics and video clips they have shown only showed small shallow 2D items, so the press printer was never proven as a 3D printer at all. even the workbench series was shown like this.
as for the closed use, has anyone including Sam tried to print a full 7 inch sized item taking over 14 hours un-interupted with unit closed using both materials they claim it can use. and not just remove a 'good finished print' but done so without having to peel the melted down printer away to get the print out? ;^P

tell Sam to put up proof b4 selling pigs in pokes

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

i don't think anyone had anything BUT problems with this printer.  most are DOA, and it appears there is a rare 2% of people who are successful in having a few janky prints.

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Re: For everyone who has had issues with their Solidoodle Press.

evilstone wrote:

i don't think anyone had anything BUT problems with this printer.  most are DOA, and it appears there is a rare 2% of people who are successful in having a few janky prints.

You can get semi-reasonable prints, but there are MANY things that you must do to get it going.  Even when you get it going, I think it will need significant modification for it to become a good and reliable printer as advertised. 
While I won't entertain the OP idea of asking others on here for money for those unhappy with their printer, I do think that the whole issue with this printer needs to be addressed by someone from SD, but I doubt we will see anything, especially with how poorly they are handling support/RMA requests.
Has anyone had luck RMAing their Press yet?