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Topic: 3D Metal printing

I would like to share my experience with Roses metal:

DISCLAIMER:
all rights are FREE,
Bismuth alloys CANNOT be legally protected,
Bismuth is NOT poison,
Roses metal has same/less harm than soldering tin
Roses metal MUST NOT be used for anything used with food or beverages
like cups, spoons, forks etc.

Rose metal: Alloy 50% bismuth, 25% tin, 25% lead
Melting point around 97 degrees Celsius
Very good electrical conductor
Harder than tin and lead, something like aluminum, structure something like cast iron.

I use it to fill ABS casts with it, but it should also be able to be
directly printed. I did not try, have only one printer...

Enjoy it!

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2 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-02-05 01:51:33)

Re: 3D Metal printing

kinflute wrote:

I would like to share my experience with Roses metal:

DISCLAIMER:
all rights are FREE,
Bismuth alloys CANNOT be legally protected,
Bismuth is NOT poison,
Roses metal has same/less harm than soldering tin
Roses metal MUST NOT be used for anything used with food or beverages
like cups, spoons, forks etc.

Rose metal: Alloy 50% bismuth, 25% tin, 25% lead
Melting point around 97 degrees Celsius
Very good electrical conductor
Harder than tin and lead, something like aluminum, structure something like cast iron.

I use it to fill ABS casts with it, but it should also be able to be
directly printed. I did not try, have only one printer...

Enjoy it!


I am assuming this video was done on an Apple device? Reason I ask is MOV is rarely used outside of the Apple Orchard and PC's don't typically support it. So your viewers will be limited to Apple owners mostly unless you change the format to something more common like AVI or MPG.

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I have an apple device and nothing comes up.

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How to make Roses metal:

bismut 50%
soldering tin 50/50
gas torch

attached one example of roses metal into "ABS cast"

if you want to use lead free, you can
mix 50% bismuth and 50% tin, I don't use it because
it has a melting point of 137 degree celsius, too much for ABS cast
but good enough to be directly printed.

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Re: 3D Metal printing

sorry, that should work

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IF I would have a daVincy DUO, I would give it a try.
Roses metal will not solding to the printer head, the
temperature is simply too low.

Biggest hurdle: to make 1.75 mm filaments.

Than, just imagine, 3D structured PCB boards...
We will be freee

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I am experiencing technical difficulties viewing the video.  I'd love to try some of you can get it into filament form.

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8 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-02-05 02:54:02)

Re: 3D Metal printing

I have tried on my Note 4 as well as a Windows pc and I can't open any of the files you have posted. The jpg says can't open, the mp4 video calls some error from the server and well yhe the MOV is another issue. You usually need quicktime installed and even then it does not open. Not sure where you are hosting or uploading these files from but it does not seem to be working for me at least.

I was able to view the pictures. Had to force them to be viewed in internet explorer. Just downloading on to my Android won't allow me to view them. Strange.

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Please someone give a feedback who was able to open the mp4 and jpg.

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kinflute wrote:

Please someone give a feedback who was able to open the mp4 and jpg.


Unless somebody watches lots of movies on their PC or device and has several players to handle multiple formats they most likely will not be able to view an MP4. It is not a common Windows format. To play it on Windows a person would need to download the Combined Community Codec Pack and install so they have the codecs to play it. That also includes Windows Classic Media Player which will play MP4 files as well as MOV files. But unless they are an anime fan like me or a real movie buff their PC most likely won't be set up to play such files.

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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Re: 3D Metal printing

carl_m1968 wrote:
kinflute wrote:

Please someone give a feedback who was able to open the mp4 and jpg.


Unless somebody watches lots of movies on their PC or device and has several players to handle multiple formats they most likely will not be able to view an MP4. It is not a common Windows format. To play it on Windows a person would need to download the Combined Community Codec Pack and install so they have the codecs to play it. That also includes Windows Classic Media Player which will play MP4 files as well as MOV files. But unless they are an anime fan like me or a real movie buff their PC most likely won't be set up to play such files.

I have tried everything and came up empty.  I have several other users reporting the same issue.

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Re: 3D Metal printing

wardjr wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:
kinflute wrote:

Please someone give a feedback who was able to open the mp4 and jpg.


Unless somebody watches lots of movies on their PC or device and has several players to handle multiple formats they most likely will not be able to view an MP4. It is not a common Windows format. To play it on Windows a person would need to download the Combined Community Codec Pack and install so they have the codecs to play it. That also includes Windows Classic Media Player which will play MP4 files as well as MOV files. But unless they are an anime fan like me or a real movie buff their PC most likely won't be set up to play such files.

I have tried everything and came up empty.  I have several other users reporting the same issue.

I think it may have to do with how he is hosting those files unless they are uploaded directly. Even the images act weird. Normally if I click an image here on the site it will open a second window and show the image. But this time it ask what I want to open it with. It would normally do the same on my phone but with these files it downloads them and then says it can't open them.

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Well, both, mov and mp4 are running well on my MacBook.
Seems to be that the attachments are somehow "modified" by passing the transfer server...
Not to mention that "someone" is not interested that people can print metal with low budget.

The video just shows how I am melting self made Roses metal in boiling water and fill it in tea cup,
get a nice and heavy! "coin".

If you provide an email account I will answer immediately, see what happens.
So I can narrow down the root course for "modification"

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Videos work fine for me.

MP4s and MOVs play fine on a PC with VLC, which is the only video player anyone should bother using.

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kinflute wrote:

Well, both, mov and mp4 are running well on my MacBook.
Seems to be that the attachments are somehow "modified" by passing the transfer server...
Not to mention that "someone" is not interested that people can print metal with low budget.

The video just shows how I am melting self made Roses metal in boiling water and fill it in tea cup,
get a nice and heavy! "coin".

If you provide an email account I will answer immediately, see what happens.
So I can narrow down the root course for "modification"

It is not that we are not interested, but seeing is believing as they say and we can't see. I was able to view the images but I had to do it in a very round about way.

As for the tech, unless it can be extruded into a strong but flexible 1.75mm filament it won't do us much good. It seems it might be a brittle and may not make it through the extruder possibly. Or if it is too flexible at that size it may have the same affect as flexible filament and jam up in the gap between the feed gears and the throat on the head.

Cool idea to say the least, but can it be put into practice? Best thing to do is have someone with a filastruder try to extrude some filament with it and then see if it will feed on a stock machine. It would need to be granulated though so the filastruder could deal with it.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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elmoret wrote:

Videos work fine for me.

MP4s and MOVs play fine on a PC with VLC, which is the only video player anyone should bother using.

+1, QFT, and so on... VLC FTW

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Re: 3D Metal printing

Some more details:

my first "mix" I did with 50% bismuth and 50/50 soldering tin from a spool WITH FLOW CHEMICAL .
It seems to be that the flow chemical is positiv due to mixing and and lower melting point

The second "mix" I used 50/50 soldering tin from a brick WITHOUT flow chemical, the result was melting
JUST at 100 degree celsius and more brittle?

Furthermore it seems that Roses metal EXPANDS during cool down.

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elmoret wrote:

Videos work fine for me.

MP4s and MOVs play fine on a PC with VLC, which is the only video player anyone should bother using.

Says the mind of a tech and tinkerer. Keep in mind many who buy a PC only use it as is and use the programs that are only in or with windows. I know VLC works, KMplayer works, and MPC will work with CCCP installed. But unless you are one who watches multiple formats you will most likely just use Windows media player and watch movies on Hulu or Netflix. So creating files in a semi special format on a public forum is still counter productive and limits the potential viewers.

You guys really need to keep in mind that not everyone here is tech savvy. Some bought these printers thinking they where plug and play and off they would go. They did not know it was a hobby and they would become a machine babysitter. So a lot of the people just stumble in to here due to a Google search for their question. Then start looking around for topics that might catch their interest.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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about feeding the printer head, I am thinking to make 1,75 mm rods  in
ABS casts, and than feed by using by a ABS printed...revolver system using gravity

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I will give VLC a try tomorrow I have that on one of my machines.

Guys, as a favor to me please let's keep the focus on the OP.
This is a subject I have given a lot of thought to and am very interested in.

Thank You

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3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
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Thanks to all for your contributions

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kinflute wrote:

about feeding the printer head, I am thinking to make 1,75 mm rods  in
ABS casts, and than feed by using by a ABS printed...revolver system using gravity

So you are thinking a solid (stick) filament?
How about some form of rolled cold extrusion like how solid core wire is pulled through a die?

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Thanks to all for your contributions

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kinflute wrote:

about feeding the printer head, I am thinking to make 1,75 mm rods  in
ABS casts, and than feed by using by a ABS printed...revolver system using gravity

The issue I see with a revolver system there is chance of gap between rods and you could get gaps in the print then. It would require a sensor and timing system to turn and drop the next rod as soon as the last cleared the revolver. Also the rods would be limited to six inches unless you tour the covers off of your machine or built a different machine with much more overhead clearance. For this ideal I think the type that leaves the bed at the bottom but moves the x gantry up as the z axis as well might be better suited. You would also have to beef up the z and x steppers as I would imagine a revolver full of metal rods would put so me serious strain on the stock steppers and drivers due to the high weight.

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sounds good. My problem is, I am on low budget, rods and and rod feeding I can do by myself,
for proof of feasibility. I am just hesitating to "play seriously" with my only printer. Casting can
can do what I need but printing would be heaven of course

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for proof of feasibility one rod is enough, than lets focus and eliminate the hurdles.

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If you can make a rod or two I would feed them to my machine. I am about to build a delta so the DaV will be a test bed anyways.

My biggest concern is viscosity.  Metal does not have a glassification state like plastics. That state where surface tension allows them two ooze, stay semi liquid but still hold its shape. Molten metals unless poured into a mold just spread out flat. If allowed to cool so they dont spread, they will no longer flow.

In a nutshell  molten metals either flow or they don't. They don't have an ooze state like plastics.

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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.