Topic: Pico B3 hot end build
Working on making brackets and all for the pico b3 to fit my 1.0 davinci
1 2015-01-28 21:52:49 (edited by hansen644 2015-01-28 21:55:09)
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
Not sure about how I want to do the fan set up yet. Ideas?
3 2015-01-28 22:16:59 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-28 23:08:33)
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Cheater, using the existing carriage. Now you will get finished before me. I went back to square one and redesigned it with a fully printed, fully integrated carriage to use linear bearings instead of the brass sleeves.
I actually will be using an E3D clone now. Along with a RAMPS 1.4 controller with LCD. I have decided to use the PICO and Azteeg X5 mini along with the VIKI 2 LCD and interface for the new Rostock/Delta I am building.
The mini is actually designed for Rostock printers in the fact instead of the drivers being called xyz they are called alpha, beta, and gamma. In reference to the three vertical axis of a Rostock.
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Re: Pico B3 hot end build
Very cool
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hi I have a question on the wiring what happens with the wires for the optical sensor the ones that detect filament do I just disconnect it and leave do they need to tied together? I am on repetier firmware not stock firmware
thanks
fred
6 2015-01-29 19:34:22 (edited by carl_m1968 2015-01-29 19:35:16)
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nubbyless wrote:
hi I have a question on the wiring what happens with the wires for the optical sensor the ones that detect filament do I just disconnect it and leave do they need to tied together? I am on repetier firmware not stock firmware
thanks
fred
Repetier firmware does not even see those wires as existing. Their functions are not used in other words, so just zip tie them out of they way in case you ever want to put the old parts back on. All Repetier firmware uses on the head is the thermistor, the heater, and the stepper.
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Re: Pico B3 hot end build
Got B3 pico up and running my my davinci 1.0
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
nubbyless wrote:
hi I have a question on the wiring what happens with the wires for the optical sensor the ones that detect filament do I just disconnect it and leave do they need to tied together? I am on repetier firmware not stock firmware
thanks
fred
Filament sensor support depend of which repetier fw you are using, if you use one from github.com/luc-github, 0.91/0.92, both support filament sensor, only Jam sensor is not implemented (wire is known but no time to work on code implementation), so if you do not connect sensor wires, I suggest you to set filament sensor to "off" in settings of printer menu
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
Hi did your bed volume was affected by positioning the Pico this way, maybe got reduced on the Z axis by a couple of centimeters?
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
luc wrote:
nubbyless wrote:hi I have a question on the wiring what happens with the wires for the optical sensor the ones that detect filament do I just disconnect it and leave do they need to tied together? I am on repetier firmware not stock firmware
thanks
fred
Filament sensor support depend of which repetier fw you are using, if you use one from github.com/luc-github, 0.91/0.92, both support filament sensor, only Jam sensor is not implemented (wire is known but no time to work on code implementation), so if you do not connect sensor wires, I suggest you to set filament sensor to "off" in settings of printer menu
@Luc, Do you think the Da vinci 1.0 using your version of Repetier 0.92 will work with the Pico 500c ?
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
I do not see any reason it would not
just suggest to set FEATURE_Z_PROBE and FEATURE_AUTOLEVEL to false in configuration.h to remove useless features in menu and GCODES as no more probe
12 2015-03-31 13:08:09 (edited by Eder 2015-03-31 13:08:27)
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
luc wrote:
I do not see any reason it would not
just suggest to set FEATURE_Z_PROBE and FEATURE_AUTOLEVEL to false in configuration.h to remove useless features in menu and GCODES as no more probe
Thanks for that, I've actually removed the Bed calibration plaques in a Da vinci 2.0 and don't need for Autolevel.
But what about the temperature? Will I need to modify the configuration.h in case of the 500c temperatures (warnings or fire hazard cautions)?
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
If you plan to use 500 degres range yes you need to adjust the
UI_SET_MAX_EXTRUDER_TEMP and MAX_DEFECT_TEMPERATURE and the thermistor table accordingly
Be aware resistors values are not same as ramps so you may adjust the provided table
someone created a table calculator for davinci you may have a Look : http://voltivo.com/forum/davinci-firmwa … ruder#6823
You will have a way for sure to adjust the FW but will the carriage/belt support to be so close to so High temperature component ?
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
luc wrote:
If you plan to use 500 degres range yes you need to adjust the
UI_SET_MAX_EXTRUDER_TEMP and MAX_DEFECT_TEMPERATURE and the thermistor table accordingly
Be aware resistors values are not same as ramps so you may adjust the provided tablesomeone created a table calculator for davinci you may have a Look : http://voltivo.com/forum/davinci-firmwa … ruder#6823
You will have a way for sure to adjust the FW but will the carriage/belt support to be so close to so High temperature component ?
Indeed, a way to insulate heat from other components will be needed. I was thinking on using Fiberglass insulator around the hot-end, since it is already used on the Pico's leads.
PS: thanks for the calculator, it will be really useful.
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Eder wrote:
luc wrote:nubbyless wrote:hi I have a question on the wiring what happens with the wires for the optical sensor the ones that detect filament do I just disconnect it and leave do they need to tied together? I am on repetier firmware not stock firmware
thanks
fred
Filament sensor support depend of which repetier fw you are using, if you use one from github.com/luc-github, 0.91/0.92, both support filament sensor, only Jam sensor is not implemented (wire is known but no time to work on code implementation), so if you do not connect sensor wires, I suggest you to set filament sensor to "off" in settings of printer menu
What material are you using that needs 500c? Also for the record the stock b3 cannot do 500c. You have to buy a different high temp thermistor from them and install it before you mount the hot end. The stock thermistor will be damaged if you go over 350c.
@Luc, Do you think the Da vinci 1.0 using your version of Repetier 0.92 will work with the Pico 500c ?
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Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
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Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.
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Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.
16 2015-03-31 17:02:25 (edited by Eder 2015-03-31 17:05:24)
Re: Pico B3 hot end build
carl_m1968 wrote:
Eder wrote:luc wrote:
Filament sensor support depend of which repetier fw you are using, if you use one from github.com/luc-github, 0.91/0.92, both support filament sensor, only Jam sensor is not implemented (wire is known but no time to work on code implementation), so if you do not connect sensor wires, I suggest you to set filament sensor to "off" in settings of printer menu
What material are you using that needs 500c? Also for the record the stock b3 cannot do 500c. You have to buy a different high temp thermistor from them and install it before you mount the hot end. The stock thermistor will be damaged if you go over 350c.
@Luc, Do you think the Da vinci 1.0 using your version of Repetier 0.92 will work with the Pico 500c ?
@Carl_m1968: I will try to use the PEEK filament from Indmatec, they tell me it needs around 480c to print.
Sure, I will replace the stock with the Pico's thermistor, I am trying to figure out if the 500c version will fit the Da vinci's current input/output.
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Eder wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:Eder wrote:What material are you using that needs 500c? Also for the record the stock b3 cannot do 500c. You have to buy a different high temp thermistor from them and install it before you mount the hot end. The stock thermistor will be damaged if you go over 350c.
@Luc, Do you think the Da vinci 1.0 using your version of Repetier 0.92 will work with the Pico 500c ?
@Carl_m1968: I will try to use the PEEK filament from Indmatec, they tell me it needs around 480c to print.
Sure, I will replace the stock with the Pico's thermistor, I am trying to figure out if the 500c version will fit the Da vinci's current input/output.
The only issue you will have with the PICO is if surrounding parts of the carriage can with stand the IR energy being radiated from it at that temperature.
Electrically it is the same ceramic heater cartridge most hot ends use. You will need to get the 500c thermistor from 3B however as the one that you bought and I bought is not ready for 500c out of the box. Read the box and manual and you will notice a foot note that says it is 500c CAPABLE with optional thermistor. The PICO cannot do 500c straight out of the box without damaging the thermistor is comes with.
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Re: Pico B3 hot end build
carl_m1968 wrote:
Eder wrote:@Carl_m1968: I will try to use the PEEK filament from Indmatec, they tell me it needs around 480c to print.
Sure, I will replace the stock with the Pico's thermistor, I am trying to figure out if the 500c version will fit the Da vinci's current input/output.The only issue you will have with the PICO is if surrounding parts of the carriage can with stand the IR energy being radiated from it at that temperature.
Electrically it is the same ceramic heater cartridge most hot ends use. You will need to get the 500c thermistor from 3B however as the one that you bought and I bought is not ready for 500c out of the box. Read the box and manual and you will notice a foot note that says it is 500c CAPABLE with optional thermistor. The PICO cannot do 500c straight out of the box without damaging the thermistor is comes with.
Yes, I have noticed the * mark when choosing the 500c thermistor, I've already asked them about this. I'll make sure they send the correct one.
And yes, the heat will be intense, maybe I will need to use ceramic cloth for this one, but fiberglass could do the work (and it is cheaper too)