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they posted delay til Monday on that now LOL "as Solidoodle turns"

they are no longer listed in any 3D printer trends reports since all this. even the ones listing some manufactures delivery delays being over a year. how disheartening :^(

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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I asked about the Workbenches

SD said:
Thank you for reaching out to us. All of our Workbench models are scheduled to begin shipping out mid-late November. Our orders will be fulfilled in the order they were received. If you placed your order in August or September, I believe you may be among the first groups of people to receive their printers. However, we ask that you give a 6-8 week lead time from when they begin to ship to be safe.

umm too many Howevers IMO

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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so... how many weeks since aug-sept? think they are LATE

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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im really glad i reduced my order down to one press.

solidoodle are going to really struggle after this botched release. They simply dont have the momentum or trust to release a game changing printer anymore.

as far as company's catering to each price range go i think printrbot and xyz are the go to for low price point machines. choose printrbot if you want something a little bit more indie and friendly and xyz if you are cool with something mass produced.

high end i would always say if you have the money go for lulzbot or taz

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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is there supposed to be any updated info today from SD?

According to the blog there was supposed to be updated info on the new software.

We will post a more thorough demo of the software next Friday the 14th.

It would seem the workbench models should be shipping soon.  Or at least info on them.

As far as software  it looks like it will be dummyware. May be OK for new users but  From what I see those using RH will want to stick with it.

Will the SoliPrint software allow the same degree of control of the process (speed of extrusion, temperature of hot end, etc.) if need be?

SoliPrint strips out many of the variables for printing to make it as easy as possible. If you would like advanced features, you can still use Repetier-Host to take advantage of those options.

Are there any advanced menus in SoliPrint?

There is a menu to modify your slicing settings, but it will not be as in-depth as the options you have in Repetier-Host.

It is also confusing as they mention slicer settings and RH in the same sentence. The host program and slicer program are two separate programs that work together.

Tin

Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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interesting reads
http://technical.ly/brooklyn/2014/11/06 … igm-shift/

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So am I to understand that the carriage and all other parts for the press will be injection molded? That's a huge step up. But I bet everyone will be putting the lawsy carriage in it anyway tongue

Still, neat to see I guess. I am really excited to see what the press looks like on the inside, full disclosure. And I'm not even on pre-order.

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dont think any mods for old SD models will work on the 3 new ones

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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ggunners wrote:

We should hope for more, but in these price ranges, everybody is straining with supply, demand, customer service, inventory and who knows what other issues.

I realize this will seem callous, but as consumers, that is really not our problem. It is theirs. If they are incapable of doing what they say they will do for the money we pay, then they should find a different schtick. This is not a charity, it is a business.

And $1000-1200 is middle range, not low end. But you get a low end quality printer for that $1000. There were many cheaper options at the time, but I chose to pay more, expecting more.

It is clear that getting these new printers right is going to be crucial to Solidoodle's survival. If they can't, they are likely going to go the way of many 3D printer companies before them. And it is for that reason that is in their best interest to listen to the complaints of its users.

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whaty gets me is how the solidoodle experience stacks against other companies at exactly the same price range. With everything i have seen printrbot seem to do the low end range printers significantly better than SD.

reflected in the fact that make magazine just gave the latest gen printrbot simple metal best in category for " thin wallets" and SD wasnt even considered for review.

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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Tin Falcon wrote:

is there supposed to be any updated info today from SD?

According to the blog there was supposed to be updated info on the new software.

We will post a more thorough demo of the software next Friday the 14th.

It would seem the workbench models should be shipping soon.  Or at least info on them.

As far as software  it looks like it will be dummyware. May be OK for new users but  From what I see those using RH will want to stick with it.

Will the SoliPrint software allow the same degree of control of the process (speed of extrusion, temperature of hot end, etc.) if need be?

SoliPrint strips out many of the variables for printing to make it as easy as possible. If you would like advanced features, you can still use Repetier-Host to take advantage of those options.

Are there any advanced menus in SoliPrint?

There is a menu to modify your slicing settings, but it will not be as in-depth as the options you have in Repetier-Host.

It is also confusing as they mention slicer settings and RH in the same sentence. The host program and slicer program are two separate programs that work together.

Tin

Many host softwares provide an interface to modify the slicing options of the slicer software. So, instead of exposing the rather intimidating list of Slic3r settings, you would expose a limited list of those options most frequently altered by users.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Retroplayer wrote:
ggunners wrote:

We should hope for more, but in these price ranges, everybody is straining with supply, demand, customer service, inventory and who knows what other issues.

I realize this will seem callous, but as consumers, that is really not our problem. It is theirs. If they are incapable of doing what they say they will do for the money we pay, then they should find a different schtick. This is not a charity, it is a business.

And $1000-1200 is middle range, not low end. But you get a low end quality printer for that $1000. There were many cheaper options at the time, but I chose to pay more, expecting more.

It is clear that getting these new printers right is going to be crucial to Solidoodle's survival. If they can't, they are likely going to go the way of many 3D printer companies before them. And it is for that reason that is in their best interest to listen to the complaints of its users.

The expectations for a 3D printer company are quite brutal for a small company. People expect high levels of engineering (both software and hardware), support, and customer service. If I were to start my own hardware company, I would start a custom shop doing very small volumes of work for higher paying customers. I feel for a small company, that is much more realistic to manage.

For instance, I love the guys who make the pwnie express. It's a great gadget, but I know it was hacked together in small volumes. I do not expect them to have enterprise level tech support. I do not expect Apple level over engineering of the physical product. I expect a little gadget that *might work* to do my *very niche* task. I am fully prepared to solder on the thing to make it behave. I am not surprised if I have to e-mail the company about the product. That is the nature of such a gadget.

You know how many Rasberry Pis are straight out of the box duds?

When it comes to 3D printers, it reminds me of the situation of small companies trying to make smart phones. While the individual parts of a smart phone are certainly within reach to procure and assemble on a "crowdfunding" budget, the bigger picture dictates much more funding. Many smart phone manufacturers exist on very thin margins.

That's why Ubuntu wouldn't even start selling their phone without $32 million or so of funding. Yes, they could have made them, but they would have been strangled by the ongoing costs of doing that business. They needed that much money to *burn through* before even expecting a profit.

This is compounded by the fact that the Ubuntu phone was still for a very niche product, despite being in a well trodden area of the hardware market. Can you imagine how much money Amazon spent to get the fire phone going? Do You imagine they are making a profit on it?

I can't think of any company besides Makerbot that has enjoyed support on that level. I do not envy the position Solidoodle, or just about every other 3D printer company is in. As I said, the expectations are quite brutal. This does not excuse anyone of responsibility, but I wouldn't ask to be in their shoes. Many "maker" companies need to better manage expectations, and create more realistic P.R, but they are still human beings. I'd hate to be living under those expectations.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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thats all well and good and yes there is a big expectation on 3d printer companies... but

having sent out the SD2 , 3 & 4 and on every machine to be told ... include a part fan, improve the hot end and then release the same crappy hot end and say you dont " believe in " part cooling fans is well....its just plain crappy.

Keeping the same, poorly recieved hot end on a new dual extruder model says to me they are trying to exploit the hype of saying " dual extruders" to a poorly educated customer base who believe they will work.

SD2 - mirror bed - e3d v6 - extruder cooling fan - no enclosure.

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solijohn wrote:
Retroplayer wrote:
ggunners wrote:

We should hope for more, but in these price ranges, everybody is straining with supply, demand, customer service, inventory and who knows what other issues.

I realize this will seem callous, but as consumers, that is really not our problem. It is theirs. If they are incapable of doing what they say they will do for the money we pay, then they should find a different schtick. This is not a charity, it is a business.

And $1000-1200 is middle range, not low end. But you get a low end quality printer for that $1000. There were many cheaper options at the time, but I chose to pay more, expecting more.

It is clear that getting these new printers right is going to be crucial to Solidoodle's survival. If they can't, they are likely going to go the way of many 3D printer companies before them. And it is for that reason that is in their best interest to listen to the complaints of its users.

The expectations for a 3D printer company are quite brutal for a small company. People expect high levels of engineering (both software and hardware), support, and customer service. If I were to start my own hardware company, I would start a custom shop doing very small volumes of work for higher paying customers. I feel for a small company, that is much more realistic to manage.

For instance, I love the guys who make the pwnie express. It's a great gadget, but I know it was hacked together in small volumes. I do not expect them to have enterprise level tech support. I do not expect Apple level over engineering of the physical product. I expect a little gadget that *might work* to do my *very niche* task. I am fully prepared to solder on the thing to make it behave. I am not surprised if I have to e-mail the company about the product. That is the nature of such a gadget.

You know how many Rasberry Pis are straight out of the box duds?

When it comes to 3D printers, it reminds me of the situation of small companies trying to make smart phones. While the individual parts of a smart phone are certainly within reach to procure and assemble on a "crowdfunding" budget, the bigger picture dictates much more funding. Many smart phone manufacturers exist on very thin margins.

That's why Ubuntu wouldn't even start selling their phone without $32 million or so of funding. Yes, they could have made them, but they would have been strangled by the ongoing costs of doing that business. They needed that much money to *burn through* before even expecting a profit.

This is compounded by the fact that the Ubuntu phone was still for a very niche product, despite being in a well trodden area of the hardware market. Can you imagine how much money Amazon spent to get the fire phone going? Do You imagine they are making a profit on it?

I can't think of any company besides Makerbot that has enjoyed support on that level. I do not envy the position Solidoodle, or just about every other 3D printer company is in. As I said, the expectations are quite brutal. This does not excuse anyone of responsibility, but I wouldn't ask to be in their shoes. Many "maker" companies need to better manage expectations, and create more realistic P.R, but they are still human beings. I'd hate to be living under those expectations.

Well said. I would never say "I could do it better."

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And on another note while a lot of the criticism is indeed brutal, an angry but vocal customer is far better than an angry but silent customer. The silent customer will never return and is likely to tell others not to ever purchase from the company. They are complaining "somewhere." The fact that they are willing to give you that feedback means they still believe in you and still support you.

There are many things I do like about Solidoodle, the most important being that it is an American company. That alone is tough in this competitive market. I like the forums here and all the knowledge from the users. I haven't seen that anywhere else on the net. Indeed, that was one of the things that drove me to purchase the SD4. I knew if I had trouble, there was a thriving community around it that could help me out.

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so solijohn what Im hearing here;

"Ubuntu wouldn't even start selling their phone without $32 million or so of funding. Yes, they could have made them, but they would have been strangled by the ongoing costs of doing that business. They needed that much money to *burn through* before even expecting a profit."

is the old adage "the easiest way to make 1 million dollars is start with 4 million" now its start with 34 million? LMAO

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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proctor_richard wrote:

thats all well and good and yes there is a big expectation on 3d printer companies... but

having sent out the SD2 , 3 & 4 and on every machine to be told ... include a part fan, improve the hot end and then release the same crappy hot end and say you dont " believe in " part cooling fans is well....its just plain crappy.

Keeping the same, poorly recieved hot end on a new dual extruder model says to me they are trying to exploit the hype of saying " dual extruders" to a poorly educated customer base who believe they will work.

Did they really say they "don't believe in" part cooling fans? That sounds a little extreme.

If I were to speculate on what is going on at SD right now, I would imagine that they are most focused on getting the product out the door. I would imagine that by this point, they are receiving a large influx of e-mails asking about delivery times. Some more friendly than others. That was certainly the case back in the SD2 days.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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yes solijohn techs at Solidoodle told me on the phone that Solidoodle dont beleve in cooling fan for parts like the gcode in RH is for. and that Solidoodle only recommends using support on all such bridges.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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also why dont Solidoodle learn from past misstakes like "back in the SD2 days" instead they have become worse at delivering on promises. I own one of those SD2s and frankly its much better quality than the newest SD4s. that says it all

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Is there a fan on the extruder tip for use with PLA?

The Workbench and Workbench Apprentice models will ship with an extruder nozzle fan to aid in printing overhangs and bridges. We may offer a fan upgrade for the Solidoodle Press at some point in the future.

That is a quote from the Q&A that was put up.

Solidoodle Workbench

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That must be a recent addition due to the outrage on the Press. No pictures of the workbench so far show a nozzle fan.

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Hi everyone! Just curious if we will still be getting the update posted today about the software?

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That comment was there when the Q&A was first released.

We have also been told through various sources that the pictures we've seen are all "advanced prototypes" not the actual production version.  That means that for better or worse, you can't exactly trust what you see in the pictures.

Solidoodle Workbench

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blazin_penguin wrote:

That comment was there when the Q&A was first released.

We have also been told through various sources that the pictures we've seen are all "advanced prototypes" not the actual production version.  That means that for better or worse, you can't exactly trust what you see in the pictures.

Hopefully there will be lots of positive improvements like this.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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For those wondering there are new pictures on the solidoodle facebook page that show the part fan.

So what (specifically) are the issues with the hot end?  I have heard a lot of comments that it is crap, but why is it crap?  Will the additional fan help with any of the previous issues?

Solidoodle Workbench