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Cipher0 and I have different pulleys for some reason. His X pulley is aluminum and mine is nylon. Odd.

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Again, I know it's off-topic, but the steps / mm calcs depend on the tooth pitch and the tooth count per pulley...

http://prusaprinters.org/calculator/

I'm running 88 on my SD2 which has the nylon MXL 2.032 pitch / 18 tooth) pulleys, and I run 80 on my Ord Bot which has the aluminum GT2 (2.0mm pitch / 20 tooth) pulleys.

I might try 87.49 on the SD2...

And I see where MXLs can come in either material...my bad.

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Good information to have, thanks.

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I got fed up and disassembled the X carriage.
The left side had little glue/epoxy that didn't hold it at all.

top
http://i.imgur.com/oKysRqU.jpg

bottom
http://i.imgur.com/BzxYovy.jpg

left side
http://i.imgur.com/6UlttTX.jpg

right side
http://i.imgur.com/qIbsPok.jpg

Again, the left side wasn't glued, so it just came off.
http://i.imgur.com/MKmySOQ.jpg

this
http://i.imgur.com/AOWeoiY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/flKPuNl.jpg

this is how much the rods were sticking out:
http://i.imgur.com/joX7Dfv.jpg

I think this kind of made the Y rods bend a little and made calibrating such a pain.
So the thing is I'm not sure how to glue it, if the rods should be sticking out as much, or not at all. And what glue to use. I think I'll just contact Solidoodle about this and get a replacement.
I don't even know if this will solve my circlular problem.

280 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-08 19:34:00)

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Nice work.

Center up the rods and glue them down with epoxy. How much they stick out doesn't matter as long as they are relatively centered (same as with the back bushings) and can't move. The most crucial factor is that they can't move with respect to the carriage.

I've been reading a lot about the lawsy upgrade on here and no one has ever mentioned anything beyond these two factors. I wouldn't bother with a Solidoodle replacement. They will either send you something with the same issue, tell you to glue it down as I just did, or send you something with missing components. You'll also be down for a while because they take FOREVER. your choice though.  If gluing it down truly fixes it (and I havent gone as far as you on disassembling the whole carriage), this issue can be done with once and for all.

I wish I had time to spend a few hours in front of my printer and do this. I guess the only way I'll know if the rods can truly slide out is if I disassemble everything. Too busy though sad homework and research sigh.

281 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-08 19:49:56)

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.... Why is Jaques banned?

He might've been one step away from solving this for all of us sad

Now I will have to duplicate all of his effort when I get time.

Jaques if you see this please email me at ((removed, got an email)) we'll discuss the issue between ourselves.

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nbourg8 wrote:

Omg and cypher0 is banned too. Has this thread angered the solidoodle gods?

There are no "Solidoodle gods". Soliforum is run independently.

SoliForum is not owned or operated by Solidoodle, and as such is not an official forum

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2041/sol … uidelines/

cipher0/jaques knows what rule(s) were violated, if they choose to follow the rules I'm sure they are welcome to return.

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jagowilson wrote:

The last thing I keep forgetting about is the Y motor's pulley position. However that is screwed down so tight I simply can't budge it. One bit. Not a single movement of the set screw is possible.

I know I couldn't get enough leverage with the ball tipped driver, but after taking the motor completely off so I'd have room, a "normal" hex key worked when I put the short side in the set screw and used the long side for leverage (much longer lever than the tiny handle on the ball driver :-).

284 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-08 22:05:24)

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That's a good idea. I'll get get one, makes more sense to me for it to be closer as others have pointed out.

285 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-11 06:46:26)

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No posts for a while so I figured I'd share where I'm at. Next step is to hacksaw my new rods to size.

The rods can jiggle around in the carriage but they don't come out. Gonna dunk this carriage in acetone to recover the rods for spares. And I'll get 2 more good LM8UUs so that's nice.

Pretty sure I ruined at least the right Y rod doing this. The collar would only go so far on the rod, making removal impossible, so I had to sand that section of the rod a bit to get the collar off. The rods were also significantly burred at the ends so I had to sand them to even get them out of the case.

Edit: knocked the rods off with a hammer. Surprisingly easy. The carriages weren't printed all that solid. Saves time in mass 3d printing I guess but makes them pretty weak.

The shiny part is left over glue, by the way. Photo makes it look metallic.

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I too have been watching this thread intently. MY SD 4 is also putting out circle with a crease at 5 o'clock and a slight crease at 11 o'clock. 
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Is your x carriage left piece also not glued properly and you can also twist the carriage like the other users? If yes, then that's probably the issue I think.

288 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-11 14:07:32)

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Going to be interesting to find out what the cause is... If the carriages don't fix it I have another NEMA 17 on the way and some pulleys. The Y motor pulley set screw stripped on me which stinks.

I got one with 58 oz-in of torque. From everything I could find this is more than enough. If I can actually move that pulley back on the shaft I imagine that will help immensely.

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what about the closed loop belts on SD4? has that been tested to see if its the issue also?

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290 (edited by Tin Falcon 2014-11-11 22:45:17)

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what about the closed loop belts on SD4? has that been tested to see if its the issue also?

Do not think that is it my SD4  has an open belt system for the XY. One of the problems I have is the y idler pulley block are not on a solid mount. the flimsy frame allows the blocks to move and sit on an angle.  I think that will be the first point to tackle.
Rebuilding the  carriage may be the way to go.
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Hmm I hadn't thought about the belt tensioners and idler pulleys in the front. Can you take a picture of how yours can get at an angle?

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The ones I have are not tensioners only idlers pulleys. I think the tensioner feature was added when they went with continuous belts.  These 3d printed blocks are fastened to the thin steel frame . if I grab the steel frame I can apply pressure and it moves /straightens out.  Because of the flex the idlers are at an angle and the belts ride rub against the inner flanges on both sides. It seems to me the belt should be centered on the idler pulley. I considered tightening the collars hard against the frame but concerted this could cause a bow in the guide rods.  I will get a picture
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Picture is worth a thousand words smile

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Ok here are a couple of pics
The first is from inside the machine a bit fuzzy the scond better from the outside these are both pics of the left side iddler block.

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You sure the belt just isn't too tight? Very odd that yours do that. Mine seem stable.

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No do not think it is cased by to much tension . I have tightened the belts some but like this when I got it and there was definite slack backlash on the lh side as received. 
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Looks like I need to print the lawsey carriage parts. I did a couple pieces but they were early prints need to recheck the quality .
I pulled the left side cover today and the back x rod is sticking out and I can see where it was dragging on the case also the x carriage block is cracked /delaminating. still need to get the y idlers straightened out as well. I did expect this to be a learning experience. I guess I was naive and foolish to think I could run this for a while and not have to rebuild it with the first few months.
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298 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-14 00:01:03)

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Wow! Didn't you hear a sound when that happened? Id imagine the steel on steel would sound horrible.

That's wild though.

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Well hearing it and noticing it two different things. This is my first and only 3d printer. I have seen 3d printers before. mostly not running the only other ones I have actually seen printing were ulitimakers they were dead quite at least in a room full of people.
I dug out these spares but need to print the extuder mount.  Time to try out the CF-XT .
I may have been running a tad hot  need to get some fans and print some ducts as well.
But I think these will hold together better than the factory parts.

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Print those at 100% infill for best reliability and strength. Don't want one to break on you in installation. Here are some things I know you will need to do:

Print the MK5 if you haven't. You need it for the x carriage. You only need the bottom block which holds the hotend and mounts to the motor.

You will need to get the X stop switch out of the wire sheath. I am going to cut mine and pull it through--not sure how to unbundle the sheath. I'll put a connector back on after I get it out.

Remove the metal parts on the motor and re-install the heatsink and fan on the back. The metal part holds the filament cooling fan, but the motor won't fit on the lawsy carriage if you don't remove that metal casing.

That's all I know for now. You're lucky you don't have to punch holes in the belts. I had to do this with no punches or tools, I just started holes with a 2mm flathead and worked my way up.

That's all I know for now. I'm about to start putting it all together.