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I'm going to do one with my shitty printer just to show off wink

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is that the one you call '#2'

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Yep and it has a setup similar to your SD4 on the carriage.

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burning to get home and test this theory. if this is correct.... damn.

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shame we gotta drag out such a long topic for such trivial SD work , but this is good reference for future mods etc too

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181 (edited by wardjr 2014-11-06 21:13:45)

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All in the name of fun learning
http://i.imgur.com/v2OhP8k.jpg
Printer #2 my "work in progress"

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Just checked and I can't twist that carriage even a bit and it really is very similar to what you guys have.

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jagowilson wrote:

burning to get home and test this theory. if this is correct.... damn.

What theory are we talking about now?

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the real question is what are they doing over there at sd. building printers or nightmares?

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Same theory.... The carriage needs to be prevented from twisting.  Put your minds to it and come up a way to test it.

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lock collars are still lame for holding the 6 rods in place

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187 (edited by n2ri 2014-11-06 21:22:22)

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with lawsy carriages and twin linear bearings there should be no twist possible. SD just needs to buy Lawsy's designs since he knows better than them how.

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jagowilson wrote:

the real question is what are they doing over there at sd. building printers or nightmares?

On this note I would like to take a moment to calm you guys down.  I know you are frustrated by all of this but don't think for even a second that the more experienced guys with SD2's and 3's didn't have their fair share of frustrations.  All sorts of things didn't work as promised from SD and the Customer Service is actually better now than it was then.  The thing is you are all bright people in your own right.  Many times guys like myself see your problems and actually have the answers.  The hard part for us is we have answered the same questions so many times that we burn out.  I decided to take this one on because you guys were obviously stuck and I assure you we will figure it out.  That being said it takes a lot of patience and hard work on your part.  The joy is in the learning process and the next time a problem arises you will be able to figure it out in minutes versus days.
I used to always end my posts with "We're all here to help".  Although still true today there are fewer and fewer advanced users showing their faces around here.  So I would ask that you all do your best to figure things out on your own until you are totally stumped.  Then you search your asses off until you come to the conclusion that the answer isn't here.  Then ask for help and I ensure you that if it truly is an unusual (as this was) issue, Someone will rise to the surface to help.
So I will end this with my original
"Happy Printing"

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n2ri wrote:

with lawsy carriages and twin linear bearings there should be no twist possible. SD just needs to buy Lawsy's designs since he knows better than them how.

They don't need to buy it as it is there for the taking.  Why do you think there are bearings on the X carriage now.  Lawsy does awesome work and has been kind enough to allow me to borrow from several of his designs for the Bulldog mounts.
I think he would be honored to see one of his exact designs make it to the final product.  The problem is SD always has to make changes that probably have to do with how long they take to print more than actually wanting to change the design.

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190 (edited by nbourg8 2014-11-06 21:42:47)

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Wardjr, do you work at SD? 

You have a good point but don't forget, we started this thread because we were all stumped after doing hours of research coming up empty handed.  That's partly why this thread lasted as long as it has, because people are dedicated, receiving help, and this is the only place help is coming from.  And it's not done yet. 

I would love to pitch the idea to SD of providing the necessary parts to fix this issue, free of charge, because the community diagnosed the problem and came up with the engineering behind the solution.

When a car seatbelt is later found to be faulty, the manufacturer goes through a recall because it was unintentionally designed with this problem.

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nbourg8 wrote:

Wardjr, do you work at SD?

He may as well wink
But I think the possibility of SD sending paychecks to helpful users is about as good as someone receiving their Press on time. Too soon?

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SD would be selling the parts though so that free use rights thing at Thingaverse dont apply there. and I can see in the current pics SD posted of the new printers the exact same bushings and 'Teflon blocks' as my SD2.

look up Ians topics on solidoodle visit/tour and a forum member tells of a 1 of a kind SD3 he got and its pictured in the "printer farm" Ian shot. yet SD denied any knowledge of it ever being from them.

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Oh, hell no if I worked for SD your printer would actually work.
But you make my point precisely, turning users like myself into the enemy will get you nowhere.
Should your printer work out of the box? Damn right it should.  But I can only offer suggestions based on the information provided.  I clearly said that this was one of those issues that deserved some extra attention and I'm happy to help.
Here's the thing,  this just wasn't that tough to figure out and quite frankly this thread shouldn't have to be this long.  But, I'm happy it is and think that as a community we can accomplish great things.  What I'm seeing instead is users turning against one another because of their frustrations that stem from SD.  Keep in mind that without SD there would be no community.

As far as pitching ideas to SD have at it but they didn't listen to the likes of guys like Ian Johnson, Adrian, Lawsy, Tim Elmore or myself so it's unlikely they'll listen to you.
What I'm saying is let's pull together and fix the problem and leave the SD bashing for a lesser  civilized group.  We are makers and innovators so let's make and innovate.

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AZERATE wrote:
nbourg8 wrote:

Wardjr, do you work at SD?

He may as well wink
But I think the possibility of SD sending paychecks to helpful users is about as good as someone receiving their Press on time. Too soon?

Thank You

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wardjr wrote:

Oh, hell no if I worked for SD your printer would actually work.
But you make my point precisely, turning users like myself into the enemy will get you nowhere.
Should your printer work out of the box? Damn right it should.  But I can only offer suggestions based on the information provided.  I clearly said that this was one of those issues that deserved some extra attention and I'm happy to help.
Here's the thing,  this just wasn't that tough to figure out and quite frankly this thread shouldn't have to be this long.  But, I'm happy it is and think that as a community we can accomplish great things.  What I'm seeing instead is users turning against one another because of their frustrations that stem from SD.  Keep in mind that without SD there would be no community.

As far as pitching ideas to SD have at it but they didn't listen to the likes of guys like Ian Johnson, Adrian, Lawsy, Tim Elmore or myself so it's unlikely they'll listen to you.
What I'm saying is let's pull together and fix the problem and leave the SD bashing for a lesser  civilized group.  We are makers and innovators so let's make and innovate.

+1 amen bro

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also the working printers would cost much more lol

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So the front X rod on my printer did indeed have some play--it could slide back and forth a tiny bit in the carriages. I couldn't move it enough to slide it out to any appreciable length on any one side, but it was slightly inward on the left. So what I did was shifted the rod to the right as far as it would go, dropped some krazy glue on the left carriage piece, and then slid it back through the hole as far as it would go. The play is already gone, but it has not dried fully yet.

Later on tonight I will put the printer back together and see where I'm at. Hopefully there are noticeable changes. I had to take the belt holder off both carriages, loosen the belts and remove the X belt from the idler pulley before the play became evident.

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all owners of SD 3D printers should know as rattly and fragile as they are they are lucky to turn out anywhere near the quality prints they do without mods/upgrades. for DIY price you dont get an industrial precision factory on your desk top. all prospective 3D purchasers need to understand this fact of life.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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n2ri wrote:

all owners of SD 3D printers should know as rattly and fragile as they are they are lucky to turn out anywhere near the quality prints they do without mods/upgrades. for DIY price you dont get an industrial precision factory on your desk top. all prospective 3D purchasers need to understand this fact of life.


just a note; superglue aint the best fix on things made of ABS that may need taken aprt for service later. as acitone is all that removes it but it also eats ABS

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I was asked for pictures of my SD2 carriage so long ago in this thread, folks may have forgotten about it :-). But here they are:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/har … right.html

Catching up on this thread I see folks talking about the X rods moving in the carriage. Them things are epoxied into the carriages on my Solidoodle 2. Maybe the real problem is they skipped the epoxy on a printer or two? (On the other hand, if they aren't epoxied, that would make it easier to completely swap in different carriages without needing to buy new rods :-).