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BTW the very middle (very small) circle gets lost while slicing, you might want to remove it.

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If you post an updated STL I'll fix it in the Thingiverse post.

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not an issue, but here.

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So I've just now caught up with this thread.  That video shows clearly the twisting motion that should not exist.  And yes ABS will eventually break down and wear but it'll be fine for a test.   Also if the rods are that loose in the right carriage you may be able to simply remove it and epoxy the rods back in.  Even a test part that takes the twist out isn't going to pevent the force of the x-carriage belt from pushing and pulling those rods in and out.  The solution of tightening the blocks (which at one point SD claimed were Teflon) is not going to fix the fact that your carriage is floating around.
A third block via drilling a hole would also work as a test.  Those rods are supposed to fit tight and be glued in.  If that side is loose and can twist than so can the other side.  This also would clearly explain Cipher0's belt length issues from another post.  The design is pretty much the same for the SD2&3 but the rods were glued in and couldn't twist.
It's unfortunate that SD doesn't post the .stl files for all parts.  I could redesign this in a few minutes and fix the problem.

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155 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:08:41)

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I've started having the same x belt issue as cipher0 now hmm I can't tighten it.  This occurred after I really tightened that bottom block down hard last night for the lawsy print

156 (edited by jaques 2014-11-06 20:12:55)

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Why doesn't Solidoodle have two nuts and bolts on the bottom of the carriage piece to tighten the rods in place (like the pulleys are tightened to the back rod?)

So let me think about this: the problem is that for the few of us Solidoodle has just decided to use less glue?

jagowilson wrote:

I've started having the same x belt issue as cipher0 now hmm I can't tighten it.

There's a nut on the other side. The 3d printed part has a hexagonal inset where the nut goes, but it wears of easily, turns into circular and the nut rotates freely instead of being secured. Use something sharp like the forceps to keep the nut in place while you rotate the bolt from the other side (not easiest thing to do alone).

157 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:13:36)

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jaques wrote:

Why doesn't Solidoodle have two nuts and bolts on the bottom of the carriage piece to tighten the rods in place (like the pulleys are tightened to the back rod?)

So let me think about this: the problem is that for the few of us Solidoodle has just decided to use less glue?

This is how It should work and is the solution used by the lawsy carriage but Solidoodle screwed it up as usual. I can't quite make my carriage twist the way nburg8 can but I didn't try very hard for fear  of breaking sometning.

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Hell at this point who knows what SD was thinking.  It'd be one thing if users like myself hadn't done most of the work for them.  At least they could try and not mess up the implementation so badly.

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So the twisting won't happen if the two x carriage rods wont be able to rotate along their own axis?

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For the most part.  Like I said it's similar to the SD2&3 carriage which also only had 2 blocks and they worked.

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161 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:23:34)

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jaques wrote:

Why doesn't Solidoodle have two nuts and bolts on the bottom of the carriage piece to tighten the rods in place (like the pulleys are tightened to the back rod?)

So let me think about this: the problem is that for the few of us Solidoodle has just decided to use less glue?

jagowilson wrote:

I've started having the same x belt issue as cipher0 now hmm I can't tighten it.

There's a nut on the other side. The 3d printed part has a hexagonal inset where the nut goes, but it wears of easily, turns into circular and the nut rotates freely instead of being secured. Use something sharp like the forceps to keep the nut in place while you rotate the bolt from the other side (not easiest thing to do alone).

I don't believe that's the issue. I'm aware there is a nut there but the nut is not spinning with the screw. The screw continuously goes deeper into the nut but the belt gains no tension beyond a point. Am I confused? I've had that belt off entirely before so I know how the mechanism works. I think the carriage just moved closer or something effed up like that.

And yes my buddy had to come hold the nut when I took the belt off by accident last time big_smile
So what's the procedure to glue these bad boys down?

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Pull the x-rods out apply some epoxy and shove em back in.  Then redo the belts and blocks properly.

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jagowilson wrote:

The screw continuously goes deeper into the nut but the belt gains no tension beyond a point. Am I confused? I've had that belt off entirely before so I know how the mechanism works. I think the carriage just moved closer or something effed up like that.

Dude that happened to me and I still have no idea what happened, tried to get to the bottom of this, but got nothing, just shortened my belt few mm and pretended nothing had happened.

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jaques wrote:

We have done every possible calibration ourselves, and spent far more than 3 hours on this.
Our circles are not ovals. The artifact is different.

I've attached a sample STL file which takes few seconds to print.
Please print it and post a top down photo of the result like we have.
Eagerly waiting for your results. So far everyone owning a SD4 who I've given this STL to print have noticed this problem.

I will do this when i get home tonight. it will be around 8 or 9pm EST.

165 (edited by jaques 2014-11-06 20:27:55)

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wardjr wrote:

For the most part.  Like I said it's similar to the SD2&3 carriage which also only had 2 blocks and they worked.

wardjr, can you please print and photo the circle STL I posted with your Solidoodle 3?

166 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:31:06)

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cipher0 wrote:
jagowilson wrote:

The screw continuously goes deeper into the nut but the belt gains no tension beyond a point. Am I confused? I've had that belt off entirely before so I know how the mechanism works. I think the carriage just moved closer or something effed up like that.

Dude that happened to me and I still have no idea what happened, tried to get to the bottom of this, but got nothing, just shortened my belt few mm and pretended nothing had happened.

I feel bad now because I was one of the many who encouraged you to do this. You may have to buy a new belt when the carriage is positioned correctly.

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jaques wrote:
wardjr wrote:

For the most part.  Like I said it's similar to the SD2&3 carriage which also only had 2 blocks and they worked.

wardjr, can you please print and photo the circle STL I posted with your Solidoodle 3?

If I get time

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168 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:42:09)

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So if I loosen the x and y belts, the rod should theoretically be able to slide through the right Y carriage piece? Not home so can't check. Just trying to ensure I understand ....

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Bingo!!!

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170 (edited by jagowilson 2014-11-06 20:49:37)

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Ah quality control. Gotta love it (or lack thereof). I'll try this tonight when I get time.

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Is this what you're looking for?
http://i.imgur.com/9QTysy6.jpg
I know I need to clean my bed wink

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always wondered why SD used hose clams, bubble gum etc to mount all the rods when they could have either drilled holes at correct places to put roll pins in, or make grove around them for E-clips to keep them on place in frame instead. but that would look too profesional I guess like they knew what they where doing. ;^P

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Dem circles doe!!!

also they use collars now, not hose clamps.

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oooh thats gonna reflect poorly on SD assembly/quality control Ward lol

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Damn Wardjr... I only wish you were on the SD4