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Topic: Flexible Filament Beta Testers

We are looking for a few people to beta test our flexible filament pellets. If you are interested in testing and providing feedback please PM me. You will need a fully constrained extruder. We currently extrude vertically with a 1.9mm nozzle. Testers will receive 3lbs of resin with colorant. Experience with flexible filaments is recommended. We only use 1.75mm so we would like to have a few testers that run 3mm filament to help us verify that it works. Again if you are interested just send me a PM.

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I am curious of the results on the flexible filament pellets. How did it go?

3 (edited by Revolve3D 2014-08-20 15:30:11)

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I am writing a little update right now. Here are some photos of some flexible prints that i have laying around. I will post more prints later. I will embed the images straight into the post next time. I know there is an explanation on how to do it somewhere on soliforum.

Edited by elmoret - inlining photos:

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Revolve3D wrote:

I know there is an explanation on how to do it somewhere on soliforum.

1.) upload to http://www.imgur.com
2.) put the photo's URL in between [ img] [/ img] tags (no spaces)

5 (edited by n2ri 2014-08-20 19:08:49)

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is this different specs than other flex filaments used now? most need good ventelation and more expensive 3D printers with extruders built to handle feeding the flesy filament and higher temps.

also what temps can finished print withstand for instance gaskets on small gasoline engines or hot water pumps. and chemical pumps like on pools etc. I have customers asking for this type items. also some future people wanting to get into printing them and asking what printer and materials to buy.

this seems to be a big niche industry ATM. as demand is high and supply is very low so cost is less of an issue for now. which is prime interest in current economy for growing a business.

your pics seem to be targeting the hobby RC/robotics market

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Very nice. I look forward to placing an order!

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I would like to try 2 of these prints as a test for rubber/silicone replacement bumpers (high temp not needed).

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8 (edited by Revolve3D 2014-08-22 23:12:25)

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I am still working on a write up but today was an very good day of TPU extrusion.
To answer some questions:

1 My prints are just random things from thingiverse. I am not targeting one market.
2 Thermal decomp begins a 230 C. I print right at 230 so ventilation is required. Below 230 TPU should not give off any harmful gas.
3 You need a special printed extruder but that doesnt mean expensive. I designed mine for the Revolve3D prototype printer. Look on     thingiverse for ninjaflex exturders. This stuff is incredibly similar to ninjaflex.
4 In terms of temps it can handle safely, I don't know yet but I can place some on my hot plate sunday and note when it begins to soften.
5 Not a question but I wanted to state that I printed a livestrong style bracelet that I have had on now for 2 weeks. This stuff does not wear or show signs of use. The layer bonding is almost unbreakable. No adverse skin reactions also so yay.
6 I printed a vase using single wall sprial vase mode in slic3r. It is watertight, even at one layer thick.

I can print those off for you. Next week I will extrude some and give that STL a go.

The items pictured are white due to an additive. Today I was printing with clear TPU, without the stabilizing additive that turns it white. I am also getting about .1-.15 mm variation sometimes caused most likely by moisture. It prints great even with the variation but that is the main reason it has yet to be released. Hopefully it will be soon as the variation is going away with increased drying (5 hours, 210 F). Living in Miami where humidity is ridiculous doesn't help but once I am 100 percent sure moisture is the cause then I will release it. I have more info in the write up I am doing. I want one more good day of extrusion and then I will post more info.

Also horizontal extrusion always ends in ramen. Even with another cooling fan it is just so flexible but I think this could be fixed with a roller bearing guide. I was thinking about 2x625 bearings as the filament guide. I have no idea if it will work though.

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Revolve3D wrote:

I am still working on a write up but today was an very good day of TPU extrusion.
To answer some questions:


Also horizontal extrusion always ends in ramen. Even with another cooling fan it is just so flexible but I think this could be fixed with a roller bearing guide. I was thinking about 2x625 bearings as the filament guide. I have no idea if it will work though.


you mean it curls? when printed or just extruding the filament? could it be shrinkage due to cooling?

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He means when extruding (from a Filastruder).

TPE is a bit sticky and not very stiff (especially while hot), so you need a sharp departure angle if extruding horizontally, or go full vertical.

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Tim is correct. 1 fan and it wont push over the guide. 2 fans and it will go over the guide but eventually ramens. I have the case though and it seems like the filament gets stuck on the laser cut guide.

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How is the flexible filament coming along? Any progress? I look forward to being able to try it out. Please do let me know when it is available. We have extruded all the pla and abs we purchased from you and it turned out wonderful.

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designanything3d wrote:

We have extruded all the pla and abs we purchased from you and it turned out wonderful.

Can you provide details? Temperatures, filament diameter and variation, preparation? Always good to document user experiences!

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Revolve3D wrote:

We are looking for a few people to beta test our flexible filament pellets. If you are interested in testing and providing feedback please PM me. You will need a fully constrained extruder. We currently extrude vertically with a 1.9mm nozzle. Testers will receive 3lbs of resin with colorant. Experience with flexible filaments is recommended. We only use 1.75mm so we would like to have a few testers that run 3mm filament to help us verify that it works. Again if you are interested just send me a PM.


A mi me interesa probar con plastico flexible pero mi filastuder es de 1.75mm, si les interesa puedo probar
me indican que deo hacer para participar.

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yes I would be happy to. Where should I post a review

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DIY Filament Materials, please smile

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Quick Update:

I colored some of the flexible stuff orange yesterday and printed with it. It looks great. I will test the green and silver soon.

I saw someone using a delrin V wheel as a guide and I will test this with horizontal extrusion. I think it should work and I have a ton of v wheels laying around.

Using the filawinder today the diameter variation fell to 0.05mm. The material was dried at 210F for 6 hours the day before and stored in an air tight container with desiccates.

The pellets are now available for purchase at revolve3d.com as an experimental material.

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Revolve3D:

I have mailed you question about shipping to sweden..

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Just answered you. It got marked as junk mail for some reason.

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speaking of delrin is this a 3D printable material? many items are cast of it.

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Yes

http://www.stratum3d.com/collections/acetal-613

http://umforum.ultimaker.com/index.php? … in-acetal/

If there was a big enough need for it I could look into acetal copolymers.

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cool thanks, saw another supplier listed in that 2nd link http://www.suntec3d.com/

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1 of 2 LB wasted so far trying to extrude anything with consistent diameter.
What would be successful story extruding this flexible thing i bought ?
Diameter jums from 1 to 3 mm. It wont slide over any surface, catching on everything in horizontal and 45deg setup.
Hard for vertical because pellets dont slide well.
At 190c i see it continuous to flow inside its self. Outer shell has cooled but inside its still hot like lava and keeps flowing in. Do i need water or something to manage the 1.75 or go colder on the nozzle ?

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I extrude at 194 without colorant and at 191-192 with colorant. I wrote in the instructions that vertical extrusion is easier but the pellets do not slide. I have to tap the hopper neck for now but I am building a hopper shaker. For horizontal extrusion I will design a filament guide made from bearings. I don't know if this is the solution but I think it may work. For full vertical extrusion, keep the draw (distance to the coiling surface) short, about 10"-15".

How did you pre-dry the pellets?  the most variation I have seen was about 1 mm when I first tried this stuff. I load about 1-2 shot glasses full of pellets at one time. This should help you not fly though it while you fine tune extrusion and also limit the pellets exposure to humidity. (really important here in Miami)

Also, about the outer shell appearing cooled but the inside isn't. I have yet to see that but what I have experienced is an optical illusion where it looked like liquid in the middle. There was a bit of black colorant in the filament and it looked like it was moving around as I printed, but it wasn't.

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2hrs at 200 in the oven.
ill try cooler but need 1.6mm drillbit caz all my nozzles are oversized. i get almost 3mm with 1.9 nozzle.
it stays hot for foot and warm for another 2. clearly better cooling is needed.

maybe my issue is my extruding drill, i had it smoothed out so it wont grind edges and make metal shavings so much.