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Topic: Line Smoothing

Hey! So, I'm new to the site, sorry if I posted this in the wrong thread....

I recently had a Pip Boy from the Fallout series printed, and the piece has A Lot of print lines. I'm just wondering the best way to get rid of them , without using a vapor bath.

I've sanded it down a bit, but the lines are still there. I'm planning on painting it, would a filler primer be ideal in this case? Can I use some sort of sealant, like modge podge, for example; to fill in the lines and sand that down? I'm at loss and am unsure of what to do here. Any suggestions would be so helpful! Thanks so much!

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Re: Line Smoothing

My first tip is always a high build automotive spray-filler.
If that fails I use Bondo then hit the prop with an orbital sander.

The facebook link in my signature contains many photo examples of this process if you scroll down a bit.

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That's awesome! I wasn't sure if I'd be able to use that kind of primer. Thanks so much! The piece has a lot of little parts, buttons and whatnot. Is that going to be an issue? The buttons and parts are immobile, but how much does the primer take away those details? Will the primer expand? Thanks again!

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Re: Line Smoothing

That's alright mate smile
In my experience the cans are fine on both ABS and PLA, so there shouldn't be any problems.

As to the small details, I'd suggest going very light on the spray in those area's.
It is afterall a high-build material so it will clog up bits or run if sprayed on too thick.
Maybe the move would be to tape off the detailed parts until you've got the big round area's flat then hit the small area's with as little as possible.
Just be prepared to do some sanding though.

Other than that, just standard spray can operation should be fine, multiple coats and even distances etc etc.

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Re: Line Smoothing

This has been incredibly helpful! Thank you so so much! I wasn't able to find this kind of information in my Google searches, so thank you!

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All good.
I'd suggest checking out some prop forums or facebook pages for more info.
I'm a Halo fan so the 405th forum is my usual stop, but there's also the likes of 'The RPF" which are all handy.

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Serin wrote:

My first tip is always a high build automotive spray-filler.
If that fails I use Bondo then hit the prop with an orbital sander.

This is more a body shop tip than a 3D printing tip, but if by Bondo you mean the two part body filler, there is also a one part "spot putty" that comes in a tube. It's designed to fill small scratches/dings in body work after the car has been primed. It's a fast drying putty that is a LOT easier to sand than the two part epoxy body filler. You should be able to find it at any auto parts store or any other place that sells the regular Bondo.

The sanding properties are similar to sandable primer fillers. The idea would be to spray your part with primer first, then if it looks like primer alone isn't going to be enough to fill the imperfections, touch it up with the spot putty and let that dry before sanding. About the only trick to using it is that because it is very fast drying, you need to apply it quickly, then not mess with it until it dries.

Another auto body trick you might find useful is "wet sanding". I had a flat part that was coming out kind of scruffy looking with dry sanding, even with acetone treatment after sanding. It looked like the sandpaper was clogging up and laying down deep scratches in the surface of the plastic. I took some wet/dry 240 grit, put a strip on my sanding block (available at auto shops for around ten bucks), and did my sanding under a trickle of water at the kitchen sink. It did a nice job and it's easy to see where you are because the imperfections in the plastic show up shiny. When the shiny places are gone, you know you have it perfectly smooth.

Hopefully some of the above is useful information and/or leads to other ideas that may be useful.

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Re: Line Smoothing

Eh, it's common practice in the prop making community of which I am a part.
Spot putty included, but rarely used to fill the kind of stuff printers put out which often needs far more than a spot or two fixed up.
Though from personal experience of the Z wobble of many printers the best option can just be smashing everything with an orbital sander after a coat or two spray filler.

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I'm pretty sure Serin know what she is talking about. Just check out the facebook like to see what she has done. Very impressive builds.

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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Very nice builds indeed

E3D-v4 Hotend, MK5 carriage with round plastic wire conduit , 3/16" tempered glass,  Well nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, PowerEdge 2650 500W PS, QU-BD heated bed, circuit board fan, hinged plexiglass enclosure with plastic tray top. Other than that mostly stock SD3

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One comment for consideration - and I have no experience sanding printed parts yet, but plenty from other model-making techniques. Sanding any kind of plastic material generates heat, which compromises the surface integrity and can make it hard to get a nice finish. Wet sanding helps but doesn't completely eliminate the heat. It can be done, but with slow passes.

Stock SD4 with 3/16" glass attached to stock (kapton-covered) bed with Aquanet.

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I'd be careful with wet sanding.
PLA is pretty hygroscopic, it'd likely just eat up the water and cause weirdness down the line.
ABS is a tad more resistant, but I still think it's best to avoid water all together when prop making with printed parts.

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